Socialized Health Care - Good or Bad?

If by jumping to conclusions you mean reading your pro-interventionist statements and deducing (and correctly so) socialism, then sure, I'm jumping to conclusions

*sigh* sometimes I really wonder why I bother contributing to a debate when people simply do not read what I've written or blatantly twist what I've written. Please point out to where I've said that people are poor because they're lazy. It weakens your credibility massively to put words in peoples' mouths. I've stated, clearly, that if someone is genuinely disadvantaged, through no fault of their own, laziness is irrelevant.

Such a foolishly bold statement. Look up market forces. Even foreigners such as myself know that America is far, far from allowing market forces to control the economy and such policies.

Sorry, which country are you living in again? Have you ever heard of Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson or James Madison? The nation-wide society of the United States most certainly does believe in Libertarian ideals, else you would not have such a constitution or more Laissez-faire economy than most countries. It's just the more and more people are becoming 'dumbed down' or suckered by the ease of dependence. As Hostlonestar said, your country was bloody founded on such ideals for God's sake.

My suggestions are dreams? Hah! You're the idealist spouting utopian rhetoric!

Can I ask, do you think before you post?

You are very good at making such solid, yet very shallow statements. What exactly is "new" about your proposed system?

You're correct, using one socialised health-care system as reference is meaningless.. so let's look at the others.. oh wait, they're all just as poor. Again, why do you think most of the world doesn't have universal health-care?

Out of the several in the world, you sure are arrogant in thinking that yours is going to be any different, or better.

Nothing much, seeing as we know your health-care system isn't truly unregulated.

You can call me 'honey' all you want

Anyway, Kaethy, I'm sure you're a nice person and your heart seems to be in the right place, however you cannot allow emotions to influence logic. There are a lot of Americans in this thread whom know a lot more than I do about your health-care system. I'm going to leave the debate and I'll just read with interest.

Have a nice day

 

Yes, I do,

No thanks.

 

I guess you missed a recent post of mine where I mentioning volunteering in a free clinic.
Don't tell me what to do.
And it's your choice if you want to let your fellow human beings die without assistance.
I choose to help.

 

Sorry, I lost my patience with this topic for now.

 

I don't want to prove you wrong kaethy, that's not my intent. We don't have to argue, we can simply discuss. If anyone is willing to comment on the article I posted earlier and critique Friedman's idea, we can make some real progress here.

 

ncz_nate, I assume that's following on to your anyone can be a doctor logic?

What happens if I become a doctor (no training) and through malpractice kill off (accidentally) a few people?

 

Your clients would have to aware of the risk they're taking in the first place, if it's not certified by the government, and agree to the terms. Again, freedom of choice.. to oppose this is to believe someone else knows what is best for you.

Bushranger, do I know what's best for you? Will the government?

What happens when a little girl accidentally makes people sick, and possibly kills them, through the lemonade she sells at a lemonade stand. What happens when you find a bug in your lettuce that you get from the local farmer? Do we need licensed lemonade stands and licensed gardens and family farms?

Risks are a factor in choice. Reputation is a factor in risk. Competition brings us more choices, through which reputation can help us decide on.

Do we really want to get into the "accidental" deaths from already licensed medical doctors?

 

Fair points to consider there... I think the license system does weed out the shonkies but would also make it a lot harder to get into the business, any business.

I guess if they have some indemnity insurance then you're covered. Insurers may just charge more for people without the neccessary qualifications.

I do remember seeing a cop closing down a little boys lemonade stand on GMA a couple of years back so I thought they do need a license over there. We don't have lemonade stands here.

I know we (Australians) CAN NOT SELL hot food without a license but we can give it away. Buy this pen for $5 and get this free hot dog kinda thing. There's loopholes to many things.

 

Does America or Australia have the ridiculous Sunday trading law that we have here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Trading_Act_1994

What happened to the separation of church and state?

 

Well you're a fair man so I'm not surprised. It's not in my interest to convert you to my way of thinking, I'm just glad someone is willing to consider it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_shopping (short answer as we're off topic)