So Much For Going to College In The US.....Without going in debt.

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  1. ly2

    ly2 Notable Member

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    I dont remember nixon, I'm not old. :)
     
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  2. ly2

    ly2 Notable Member

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  4. tesla

    tesla Notable Member

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    #44
    Forget Iran, Americans Should be Hysterical About This: Nuking the Economy

    PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS | February 13 2006

    Last week the Bureau of Labor Statistics re-benchmarked the payroll jobs data back to 2000. Thanks to Charles McMillion of MBG Information Services, I have the adjusted data from January 2001 through January 2006. If you are worried about terrorists, you don’t know what worry is.

    Job growth over the last five years is the weakest on record. The US economy came up more than 7 million jobs short of keeping up with population growth. That’s one good reason for controlling immigration. An economy that cannot keep up with population growth should not be boosting population with heavy rates of legal and illegal immigration.

    Over the past five years the US economy experienced a net job loss in goods producing activities. The entire job growth was in service-providing activities--primarily credit intermediation, health care and social assistance, waiters, waitresses and bartenders, and state and local government.

    US manufacturing lost 2.9 million jobs, almost 17% of the manufacturing work force. The wipeout is across the board. Not a single manufacturing payroll classification created a single new job.

    The declines in some manufacturing sectors have more in common with a country undergoing saturation bombing during war than with a super-economy that is “the envy of the world.” Communications equipment lost 43% of its workforce. Semiconductors and electronic components lost 37% of its workforce. The workforce in computers and electronic products declined 30%. Electrical equipment and appliances lost 25% of its employees. The workforce in motor vehicles and parts declined 12%. Furniture and related products lost 17% of its jobs. Apparel manufacturers lost almost half of the work force. Employment in textile mills declined 43%. Paper and paper products lost one-fifth of its jobs. The work force in plastics and rubber products declined by 15%. Even manufacturers of beverages and tobacco products experienced a 7% shrinkage in jobs.

    The knowledge jobs that were supposed to take the place of lost manufacturing jobs in the globalized “new economy” never appeared. The information sector lost 17% of its jobs, with the telecommunications work force declining by 25%. Even wholesale and retail trade lost jobs. Despite massive new accounting burdens imposed by Sarbanes-Oxley, accounting and bookkeeping employment shrank by 4%. Computer systems design and related lost 9% of its jobs. Today there are 209,000 fewer managerial and supervisory jobs than 5 years ago.

    In five years the US economy only created 70,000 jobs in architecture and engineering, many of which are clerical. Little wonder engineering enrollments are shrinking. There are no jobs for graduates. The talk about engineering shortages is absolute ignorance. There are several hundred thousand American engineers who are unemployed and have been for years. No student wants a degree that is nothing but a ticket to a soup line. Many engineers have written to me that they cannot even get Wal-Mart jobs because their education makes them over-qualified.

    Offshore outsourcing and offshore production have left the US awash with unemployment among the highly educated. The low measured rate of unemployment does not include discouraged workers. Labor arbitrage has made the unemployment rate less and less a meaningful indicator. In the past unemployment resulted mainly from turnover in the labor force and recession. Recoveries pulled people back into jobs.

    Unemployment benefits were intended to help people over the down time in the cycle when workers were laid off. Today the unemployment is permanent as entire occupations and industries are wiped out by labor arbitrage as corporations replace their American employees with foreign ones.

    Economists who look beyond political press releases estimate the US unemployment rate to be between 7% and 8.5%. There are now hundreds of thousands of Americans who will never recover their investment in their university education.

    Unless the BLS is falsifying the data or businesses are reporting the opposite of the facts, the US is experiencing a job depression. Most economists refuse to acknowledge the facts, because they endorsed globalization. It was a win-win situation, they said.

    They were wrong.

    At a time when America desperately needs the voices of educated people as a counterweight to the disinformation that emanates from the Bush administration and its supporters, economists have discredited themselves. This is especially true for “free market economists” who foolishly assumed that international labor arbitrage was an example of free trade that was benefitting Americans. Where is the benefit when employment in US export industries and import-competitive industries is shrinking? After decades of struggle to regain credibility, free market economics is on the verge of another wipeout.

    No sane economist can possibly maintain that a deplorable record of merely 1,054,000 net new private sector jobs over five years is an indication of a healthy economy. The total number of private sector jobs created over the five year period is 500,000 jobs less than one year’s legal and illegal immigration! (In a December 2005 Center for Immigration Studies report based on the Census Bureau’s March 2005 Current Population Survey, Steven Camarota writes that there were 7,9 million new immigrants between January 2000 and March 2005.)

    The economics profession has failed America. It touts a meaningless number while joblessness soars. Lazy journalists at the New York Times simply rewrite the Bush administration’s press releases.

    On February 10 the Commerce Department released a record US trade deficit in goods and services for 2005--$726 billion. The US deficit in Advanced Technology Products reached a new high. Offshore production for home markets and jobs outsourcing has made the US highly dependent on foreign provided goods and services, while simultaneously reducing the export capability of the US economy. It is possible that there might be no exchange rate at which the US can balance its trade.

    Polls indicate that the Bush administration is succeeding in whipping up fear and hysteria about Iran. The secretary of defense is promising Americans decades-long war. Is death in battle Bush’s solution to the job depression? Will Asians finance a decades-long war for a bankrupt country?
     
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  5. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #45
    Yes, building more bombs to occupy more countries, and building more prisons right here in the good old USA, so we can continue to lockup more of our population than any other country in the world ;)

    In the meantime, financially challenged students such as I was, who had to take out $20,000 in student loans (and worked FULL TIME during college just to get by on my own) have it anything but "easy."
     
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  6. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #46
    That explains some things.

    Anyway, that was a joke.
     
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  7. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #47
    Since moderation is all but non-existent, it's time for the ignore filter. C-Ya.
     
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  8. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #48
    Stop, you had me at "PAUL"... ;)


    I just love fiction.
     
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  9. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #49
    Yet another prison planet fear pimping news flash to instruct the guilible how to think.

    Check out some of these sites:

    http://www.google.com/search?q="PAUL+CRAIG+ROBERTS"&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N

    What a life; sitting around on prison planet all day, salivating for the next giblet of fear pimping so you can rush over and inform those with less intelligence on how the world is coming to an end. Wish I could figure out how to make a buck off that :D
     
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  10. tesla

    tesla Notable Member

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    #50
    Fiction. Paul Craig Roberts is a real person that served in the military and wrote a book called "one shot, one kill." His website is at www.riflewarrior.com As usual, someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. Paul Craig Roberts is real American, not flake American who blindly follow the government no matter what it does, and call it patriotism.

    Yet another person who blindy believes whatever government tells them, even though all the signs point to economic disaster. I mean, yahoo just ran an article about Americans saving at the lowest rate since 1933.

    That didn't come from Alex Jones. That is mathematical statistics. The numbers don't lie. Numbers aren't biased.
     
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  11. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #51
    Ah, do a search for "fiction" (without the quotes) on that page :D :D :D

    I did not say Paul was a bad guy, I said he wrote "Fiction"... That is what he does. His web site even says so...
     
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  12. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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  13. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #53

    I wonder if there is a google search for that...

    inurl_exclude:prison/anti
     
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  14. noppid

    noppid gunnin' for the quota

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    #54
    Is that you Anthonycea?
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #55
    Do you guys agree that there are much better places to cut some money in the federal budget then financial aid?
     
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  16. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #56
    Though I asked for a source a few days ago, I have not seen anything to support the claim. The topic name is equally misleading and incorrect, as if to suggest that until recently, one could attend college without paying for it or that the government is somehow responsible to give everyone a free welfare ride.

    Doing a quick check for factual information:

    http://www.smartmoney.com/consumer/index.cfm?story=20060209

     
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  17. noppid

    noppid gunnin' for the quota

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    #57
    Yes I can agree with that.

    However, don't you agree that students should have demonstrated a level of work ethic as a standard to be deserving of the money?

    If I understand this bill, they intend to make students perform to get money, not just get by. So for a while, alot less money will be needed while the dead wood is weeded out.

    Then the student body will improve. Upon doing so uncle sam will give out more money if necessary to support students that deserve it.

    We as tax payers can benefit in theory. Our society as a whole will benefit in time as well with better educated people graduating college with real skills they can use. Skills backed by common sense and a true means to an end with well though out plans. Not the failing instant gradification fixes that are dished out today by our leaders.
     
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  18. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #58
    Glad I turned the ignore off.. I could not agree more. I think maintaing a certain GPA would be a good check/balance.
     
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  19. digimania

    digimania Peon

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    Yep. Checkand Balance is a vital thing here. Checking the government's ground for cutting educations budget, making sure that the money spent for educational sector is spent well.
     
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  20. marketjunction

    marketjunction Well-Known Member

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    #60
    I heard on the news today that the SENATE is introducing a bill that will outlaw talking about "following the government", how the government works and other political discourse unless you have taken at least a few "pointless" courses in Political Science in college.

    Sounds like a great idea.
     
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