So many sites are banned

Discussion in 'Google' started by hurricane_sh, Jan 14, 2005.

  1. Infiniterb

    Infiniterb Well-Known Member

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    #21
    And who/what is TP (besides Toilet Paper...)?
     
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  2. a389951l

    a389951l Must Create More Content

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    #22
    I have a site that has lost its cache on the main page but still has PR. There are still lots of pages indexed but I am starting to lose pages daily. I haven't done anything that is "blackhat" that I know of.

    What do people recommend - contacting Google and asking?
     
    a389951l, Jan 17, 2005 IP
  3. david_sakh

    david_sakh Peon

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    #23
    What I don't understand is why factindex.com was penalized? Sure, it's an ad-revenue info-spam site, but so are many others. Just because it chooses a broad scope of info it is shot down?
     
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  4. pinkpanther

    pinkpanther Peon

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    #24
    This maybe a silly question, how do you check if a site is banned, i am seriously suspecting my site is being banned.. just because the mighty bot seems to have stopped indexing the site...
     
    pinkpanther, Jan 20, 2005 IP
  5. roadies

    roadies Well-Known Member

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    #25
    Probably be the best explanation of a Google ban. Thanks TE.

    I decided to finally check up on one of my sites, Modern Jackass. I never SEO'd it, never submitted to Google, and never really promoted it. There were several items that had been linked to by Slashdot, Boing Boing, Engadget, Fleshbot, and Gizmodo, all at different times. So I just assumed that Google eventually would find it. Yahoo and MSN send me traffic all the time, but I hardly see anything for Google.

    Today, I placed the Co-op on it. When I had a weight of 0, that's when the red flags went up (and that's when I really cared). The Co-op uses google info to determine your weight. If you have 0 pages indexed, 0 pr, and 0 backlinks, then you're fucked. I didn't care about Google traffic to this site, since it is just sorta a hobby site and I really don't care if anyone reads it or not (apparently they do). But I DO care if I can't use the traffic on that site to benefit my master co-op account's weight.
     
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  6. cleanlava

    cleanlava Peon

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    #26
    getting banned would be miz....but adsense rapes us anyway
     
    cleanlava, Jan 20, 2005 IP
  7. TechEvangelist

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    #27
    Sorry I didn't reply earlier. I lost track of this thread.

    TP (I don't want to use their name) is a Las Vegas SEO company that was using JavaScript redirects as a cloaking technique. When a user hit a page, they were redirected to another page designed for the user, but because search engines could not read JavaScript, the search engines saw a page loaded with spam.

    It worked until G learned to read JavaScript. In the summer of 2004, most if not all of TP's clients were banned from G. I don't mean penalized. They were gone. G was pretty good about letting sites back into their index if you 'fessed up with a mea culpa e-mail, mentioned TP's name, detailed what was done to eliminate the problem, and promised never to get involved with black hat companies again.

    TP is still in business and I think operates under several names. They also have a site that reviews SEO companies. Naturally, in their unbiased opinion, the only SEO company that is worth a darn is TP.

    Isn't this a fun business?
     
    TechEvangelist, Feb 8, 2005 IP
  8. dirtdog1960theone

    dirtdog1960theone Active Member

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    #28

    Perhaps penalized is a better word than banned. I have observed and talked to people who still had pagerank and were listed in google for a search of "site:theirdomainname". However the site could not be found in the 100-1000 results for a kwyword. It appears a google technician went to the sites entry in the google database and manually changed sites/pages scores for say a certain keyword combination or their backlinks.
     
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  9. gchaney

    gchaney Peon

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    #29

    Yep......yep.......yep.....

    Personally think that has happened to me...lol

    a little manual "Push" of a button and no rankings for your KW's

    lol

    Cheers
     
    gchaney, Feb 9, 2005 IP
  10. Chrissicom

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    #30
    I got two of my domains banned from Google and they lost their PR instantly, I never saw a Google banned site showing a PR only sandboxed sites might have a PR from what I have seen
     
    Chrissicom, Feb 9, 2005 IP
  11. T0PS3O

    T0PS3O Feel Good PLC

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    #31
    I think people get so used to their nice rankings that they call themselves banned the moment they drop.

    Being banned is something different than being penalized. Being penalized is something different than having certain variables of the algo fitlered in your case. Filtering again is not the same as drops in rankings.
     
    T0PS3O, Feb 9, 2005 IP
  12. roadies

    roadies Well-Known Member

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    #32
    Who's on first?
    Yes, he is.

    Thanks for clearing that up Tops! :D

    (btw - I knew what you were saying, but it does sound like a riddle to most newbs, and well, I guess it really is. :eek: )
     
    roadies, Feb 11, 2005 IP
  13. petertdavis

    petertdavis Notable Member

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    #33
    Why do people think you can throw up some wikipedia content and suddently be blessed with top listings in Google, and believe you must be banned if not?
     
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  14. gchaney

    gchaney Peon

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    #34
    Welp

    I still have my PR
    I still have my back links
    I still have Indexed pages
    Only "URL only" pages are some PDF files that I couldn't name when I created them due to software I was using.

    and I believe I now have a "penalty" whether manual or a new twist to the algorithm.

    I went from #1 through #10 in allinanchor for my primary KW's...at 8 months and PR5 topped out at position 140 about ten days ago (during the intial start of the crap update) and appeared due to break out of the sandbox and Poof - gone from the top 1000 for everything but distant cousins and ex wives. Like the black sheep of the KW family...lol

    Mcdar.net show all red for everything on allinanchor.

    Granted, I have 5 scumbags with redirects showing up as part of my site, of which four have been removed after curt e-mails advising them of forthing coming action. (This courtesy of Randfish giving me courage to do more than politely e-mail the SOB's) One left and this one will require a Certified Letter and the filing of a DMCA (something I will be doing next week) as I think the site owner doesn't believe I can/or will do it.

    Anyway, with G, no allinanchor equals Instant applied penalty. No anchor weight, no ranky...lol

    I just gotta figure out how to get out from under this new thing.

    Cheers
     
    gchaney, Feb 12, 2005 IP
  15. neterslandreau

    neterslandreau Peon

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    #35
    During the summer I noticed a couple of competitors using the javascript redirect and being a little pissed off because I didn't think of it first, I narced them out to Google. They were gone (PR0 - not listed, period) in a couple of weeks and I thought the world was good again.

    A month or 2 later they were back to their original SERPS and PR.

    I learned a couple of lessons from this:
    1. Either Googlebot cannot read JS or does not care about the redirection.
    2. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
     
    neterslandreau, Feb 12, 2005 IP
  16. janecompersnews

    janecompersnews Well-Known Member

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    janecompersnews, Feb 12, 2005 IP