thanks for your honest reply. as I see, slavery is acceptable for you but don't see any right for slaves in your post. about kindness toward slaves I can show you some American stories which shown they were more kind toward slaves than Muslims, even some of them who married with their slaves whether they had different color and race. I guess could help people without enslave them, anyway your post was stoning for me to know in 21 century we have people who justify slavery.
Are you blind? I just told you that they eat what the master eats, and they wear what the master wears, they are not beaten, they don't look any different from their master, they are not overburdened with too much work. Is this not being kind? If you don't recognize any of these rights the slaves have in Islaam, then I'm sorry but you are being dishonest. What is more kind than treating your slave like your brother: "They are your brothers whom Allaah has put under your authority, so if Allaah has put a person’s brother under his authority. let him feed him from what he eats and clothe him from what he wears, and let him not overburden him with work, and if he does overburden him with work, then let him help him.†Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6050). " Unlike other societies, Muslim don't only take "black" slaves and only "whites" can be the masters. In Islaam, the slave can become a ruler, ever heard of the Slave Dynasty? I don't know why you as an Iranian chooses to be blind, I just don't get it. Finally, you don't have to show me any stories about America and slavery, Ive read enough horror stories already.
SolarProducts comes from the "ImasocialoutcastsoIvetakenupbangingmygoatuptheass" branch of Islam. It has very few followers in the West, though there seems to be a concentration of them in Goatf*ckistan. Its no wonder they sensor the internet, or they'd find out 95% of more than a billion Muslims world wide think they are retarded.
For those of you who think that slavery is a thing of the past you will be delighted to know that in a beautiful little African state Arab Muslims have the right to "own" other human beings : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa#Mauritania
You should read the Quran and Hadiths sometime, especially the Hadiths -- lots of sex and violence in the Hadiths.
All those slaves sent to America from Africa were obtained from someone.... someone who made money from the sale.
Facts contradict words by a mile . Just the way a promise without actions is nothing more then empty words .
Dean seemed an interesting guy, one has to wonder how he could have strayed so far as to believe a Creator who gave him his own spirit would then expect servitude. The laws set by the Creator must be followed but a Spirit by the same token is free even to break the laws if it so desires - to be destroyed in doing so, is proof the Creator does not expect complicity but death as a proper ending. Islamist believe they are endowed to own a Spirit?
Solarproduct Comparing attitudes of American and Muslims toward slaves is irrelevant to this thread topic. do you know who banned slavery? Kindness of owner doesn't mean Slave's right. what is punishment of owner if kill her/his slaves for enjoy/entrainment in Islam or any other reason?
In Islaam you are not allowed to beat the slave, so killing the slave obviously is prohibited too. Example: It was narrated that ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan tweaked the ear of a slave of his when he did something wrong. This action of hurting the slave is wrong, what did Uthmaan do? Because he felt so guilty he called the slave and said: Come and tweak my ear in retaliation. The slave refused but he insisted, so he started to tweak it slightly, and he said to him: Do it strongly, for I cannot bear the punishment on the Day of Resurrection. The slave said: Like that, O my master? The Day that you fear I fear also. With regard to the punishment for the master who kills his slave without a just reason, then it's the same for the one who kills anyone else, the master is killed in retaliation, unless the kin of the slave let him off or agree to accept something called "blood money", the evidence is in the Quran: “O you who believe! Al-Qisaas (the Law of Equality in punishment) is prescribed for you in case of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. But if the killer is forgiven by the brother (or the relatives) of the killed against blood money, then adhering to it with fairness and payment of the blood money to the heir should be made in fairness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. So after this whoever transgresses the limits (i.e. kills the killer after taking the blood money), he shall have a painful torment†--- When you think of slave, you think of the man who is handcuffed, with swollen feet, and looks like zombie, in Islaam this is not the case, think of it as employer and employee. SP
And what might this mighty just reason be..? Just for an example, What is just for you, is not just for me. When there is something obvious, trying to defend it will not do any good to you. All religions have/had flaws.. Nothing personal but this thread is going no where with your arguments ...
do you know what you mentioned above? the slave for the slave so it is equal to employee for the employee. means if someone killed another employee the employer permitted to kill killer's employee in compensate. not important how much your stories are right or where's their sources but anyway I tried to find a link to these two books "Tarikh al-Rusul wa al-Muluk" and "Al-KÄmil fÄ« al-tÄrÄ«kh" but couldn't find any English source. I guess you know Khalid bin walid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_ibn_al-Walid no any punishment! whereas Malik ibn Nuwayra was a Muslim.
You are still living in the age of slavery. The difference is that now you have accepted it mentally that you are slaves. You are slaves of capitalists. You are told what to wear, how to look, what to eat, what to become and what to say.
There you have it. You don't accept that you are slaves. The most effective form is to make people believe that they have a choice and freedom. The fact is you have to choose from the chosen ones.
The fact that you are quoting from Wikipedia shows how insincere you are. If you are going to accuse the companions of things I suggest you bring Quran and Authentic hadeeth, otherwise don't bother replying to me, so far you have no valid points. The fact that so many people (if not majority) live off loans in the West, they are basically slaves, they must work hard many decades otherwise they face losing all they borrowed.