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slamic militants stone man to death for adultery in Somalia

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by alexispetrov, Dec 14, 2009.

  1. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #21
    I second that. Looks are deceiving.
     
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  2. taminder

    taminder Peon

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    #22
    I don't see why it matters if he's Muslim.

    Look here in the United States... Christians killing fellow Christians. Religion has nothing to do with this matter; it's the ignorant people. I'm 100% against this kind of behavior, but I'm also against bombing the entire village -______- lol
     
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  3. alexispetrov

    alexispetrov Peon

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    #23
    awins - why would you think I'd never met an "Ozzie Muslim"? I've met Muslims born and raised in Australia, so you're mistaken.

    I think that everyone who threw a stone should be bombed, personally.
     
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  4. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #24
    I'm also against bombing the entire village, but religion does relate to this matter, as he was stoned to death for violating islamic law.
     
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  5. new

    new Peon

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    #25
    why complain ? they just stoned a Muslim . .. isn't that what you want ... less Muslims good for you ..


     
    new, Dec 16, 2009 IP
  6. alexispetrov

    alexispetrov Peon

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    #26
    Hee hee.... New, you love quoting me. I'm flattered!

    Yes, I do think the fewer Muslims the better and I also think it's funny that they keep on killing each other all the time.

    Still, I feel sad because it is barbaric and painful. I do not want them to suffer.
     
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  7. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #27
    @onation
    it is not really that complicated.
    first of all nobody in the real world is suggesting these kind of homicidal solutions. except someone like ahmadinejad that is being condemned for it and the terrorists that we want to defeat. and of course some idiots on the internet
    second point is that if genocide and mass murder becomes an acceptable solution[final solution] then the society already have lost its moral values. it is always presented as the only way to preserve what is valuable for one against what is bad and evil on the other side. i bet you if you look at any of the genocides in the world, you will see the same argument.
    how to fight is simple. first we need to identify the problem. and i want to propose that the problem for the world in general is the terrorists and violence. i think we should fight terrorism and terrorists militarily and by all means, but their social problems are mainly theirs and we should not try to resolve it for them specially by force. we can use moral persuasion and economic leverage to try to stop their human right abuses for sure but no force.
    for example vatican can proclaim that Americans are killing their own babies by millions [ i disagree] on a daily basis so we are sick and tired of it and we shall send our sisters of mercy to bomb all the abortion clinics. of course that would be wrong.
     
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  8. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #28
    Your preaching to the choir about genocide being a "solution", but I disagree with the idea that terrorist can be taken care of by military means alone. No democracy will support a perpetual war, and places like Afghanistan and Pakistan are not going to have sufficient governance to prevent a safe haven for these people in the next decade. At some point, the US population will have had it with being the primary source of funding to keep places like India the UK, and the rest of the world safe from them. In the long term, either nations like China will pony up, or the US will go defensive, relying on more cost effective pinpointed air strikes and strike teams (seals) to deal with the problem.

    It seems to me that Israel may be the poster child in dealing with these people in many ways. I can definitely appreciate their profiling operations in South Africa, as alleged by New.
     
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  9. taminder

    taminder Peon

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    #29
    but look at all the Christian sins that people do here. just because it's against their religion, they don't go around killing other people based on the sins. it's not written in the quran (I think that's how it's spelled, idk) that people should be killed for adultery (I could be wrong, but I doubt it).
     
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  10. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #30
    Did I miss something? I was talking about NEW, not you... ;)

    Opps, just saw this:


    Not a problem... Got a lot of extra and interesting info though!!! ;)
     
    Mia, Dec 16, 2009 IP
  11. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #31
    Somalia has adopted sharia law, this was not a random killing, but more like a government sponsored execution. Under sharia/islamic law, the penalty for adultery is stoning to death or lashes, depending on whether you were married prior. The justification is in hadith which is a religious text written by islamic scholars in support of the quran.

    source
     
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  12. imad

    imad Peon

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    #32
    Adultery punishment in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is death, except Muslims have the guts to implement the law while others do not, besides, in Islam to prove adultery there must be 4 witnesses, this makes it actually punishing making of adultery a public event, since it is hard to bring 4 witnesses,

    so I think it is safe to say that Islam punishes making of adultery a public event, more than it punishes adultery itself, without falling in what other religions fall in by promoting adultery as the case in Christianity after they removed the verses that speaks about punishing adultery from the new testament:

    it must be noted too that adultery in Islam has a different meaning than it is in Christianity or Judaism, a person commits adultery in Christianity even if he divorced his wife and married another:

    must be noted that in other religions, 4 witnesses are not required, enough for somebody to accuse his wife/husband with adultery to take his testimony as a whole truth, in fact in bible, if a rape victim was in a city she will be punished with stoning because she did not scream loud enough for help,

    such nonsense, besides removing and editing some verses in old testament, made adultery something normal in Christian nations or Christian rooted communities, which also made punishing it with death something very strange for them,

    as for Somalia and this incident the law is very clear in Islam, if they were married, and there been 4 witnesses, then they are to be stoned to death, if there are no 4 witnesses then they should be declared as innocents, and do not get punished,

    But I can understand why some hate Islam, because it forbids them from having sex with everybody they meet, for those, unlike Christianity or Judaism, sexual pleasure in Islam is not a sin, but it is not also left without control, to prevent a person from falling a slave to his own desires, and I think it is clear for them what this can cause, example can be seen in 600 reported rape crimes daily in USA alone.
     
    imad, Dec 16, 2009 IP
  13. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #33
    Interesting to see you have the guts to stand behind this activity. Like most of the planet I find your culture barbaric, backwards and stupid. That said, If you want to castrate people for yoddling, thats your business. Just don't try it in my country. Also, if you can justify this behavior and expect people not to interfere in your country's affairs while this is permitted to continue, as you just did, you sacrifice any right to complaint about how the Swiss, the Jews, or anyone else on the planet treat your religion and your people abroad.
     
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  14. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #34
    Yes imad, we all know that Islam has kept itself in the dark ages when all other religions have advanced.

    It is sad that you think killing someone for adultery is proper and moral. I guess you find any killing in the name of Allah justified.
     
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  15. Polite teen

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    #35
    If I practiced adultery, I must be put to death. I accept.

    If my mother practiced adultery, she must be put to death. she accept.

    If my father practiced adultery, he will be put to death. he accept.

    If my brothers/sisters practiced adultery, they will be put to death. they accept.

    All muslims know the punishment of adultery, and they accept.

    Accepting the rules, doesn't mean that you will not be sad in case of violating them.

    I know that it is hard to taste death, but yet I accept the rules of Islam even against myself.

    I have said that you are judge according to your context.

    If you are in a noble area, you cannot practice adultery, otherwise, you will be put to death.

    If you are in the zoo area, even if you practice sex with your mother, you are safe from death.

    If you base your life on sex, be out of the noble areas.

    We live for Nobility and die for It.
     
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  16. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #36
    Lets see now.
    Definition 1: FAIL : Kill innocent civilians abroad in the name of your religion, kill your own countrymen in the name of your religion

    Definition 2: BIGTIME FAIL : Sheep herders, Opium growers, Terrorists, and Dictators (a few computer programmers in the mix, but we are talking generally here).

    Definition 3: FAIL : One who is willing to put to death their relative or friend for having sex (I don't care if it was with a Lama) has bad qualities which outweigh any good qualities he/she may have.

    Definition 4: FAIL : Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but 50% of your population, the women, are impossible to see because your religion forbids it. The rest of you rank no higher or lower on this scale than any other group of people.

    Definition 5: FAIL : I suspect this is the definition you THINK you fall under, but at the end of the day, this one fails for the same reason definition 3 fails. Superiority of mind would require some kind of education. What you and your people have is Indoctrination, not education, so FAIL again.

    I'm sure you won't see this line of reasoning because your moral compass has been set by years of indoctrination, but the rest of the world finds the evil of stoning someone to death greater than the evil of adultry (by a long shot). What you call Noble, most of the rest of the world calls reprehensible. I suppose that wont matter much to you since the people who manipulate you tell you it is only what Allah thinks(what they think) that matters.

    Perhaps some questions you should consider are, what if Allah doesn't exist? What if my aide in killing my relative for having sex makes me a murderer in the eyes of God? How do these people controlling me REALLY know what god thinks? How can I be 100% sure?
     
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  17. Polite teen

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    #37
    I suggest that you read the post of Imad to know more about this issue.

    Also, we don't want to see any shameful situation, but if that happened, we eliminate it.

    We love our families, they are ourselves, and we don't try to uncover what people do in private.

    Prophet Mohammad, peace be upon him and his family, taught us that.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #38
    He obviously didn't teach you math, or logic and reasoning skills. How is Mohammad these days?
     
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  19. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #39
    No, you live to kill and die for it.

    Sick.
     
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  20. new

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    #40
    makeup your mind, either it is funny OR Sad

    yeah, you don't want them to suffer :rolleyes:
    may be all of Muslims should be given a poison injection or should an overdose of sedative ? in this way you would be eliminate them without much suffering :rolleyes:
     
    new, Dec 17, 2009 IP