Six questions on Iran

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by guerilla, Oct 29, 2007.

  1. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    #21
    LOL. I always thought of him as some kind of cartoon character. :D
     
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  2. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #22
    Ok, but what you are saying, is that because the weapons inspectors cannot prove a negative, that is the smoking gun.

    That is incorrect. Do you have any backup that the Weapons inspectors were denied entry anywhere? Or that they suspect weapons development?

    A smoking gun is irrefutable proof. There is no smoking gun. But if you watch Fox News, you would think there is. And that Ahmadinejad threatened to "wipe Israel off the map".

    That also however, would be false.
     
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  3. The Webmaster

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    #23
    No, I'm not saying that.. But Iran's acts in recent past are doubtful that makes the gun...smoking...
    You are free to think, accept and propose that Iran is clean but I have my doubts.

    They would have been denied if they knew the facility..

    If Iran is doing something secret ofcourse they are not going to tell observers - "Look dude, this is our top secret heavily protected underground facility that you don't know about. Here we are only making toys, that glows in night, out of enriched uranium, however we are not going to allow you to observe this facility."

    I don't watch Fox news I think it sucks..

    No one has a solid proof that Iran is making nukes. Perhaps they are making, perhaps they are not.

    If they are not then it's a good news, if they are then the news is anything but good.
     
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  4. homeloans1

    homeloans1 Peon

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    #24
    Iran enjoys much less international support than Saddam Hussein prior to the invasion of Iraq.

    Europeans including French sided with the US on the 'Iranian Question'.

    I have no idea if Iranian leaders and their generals have a nuke program or not, and my opinion is not important. It's just so much suspense, i wanna know what's going to happen next! :)
     
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  5. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #25
    Would you be willing to go to war over doubts? To bomb a country and impose economic sanctions that will create hardship and possibly death on regular citizens? That's the question here. If there is such a thing as cause for pre-emptive war, does Iran today fit the bill?

    Of course, we're back to trying to prove a negative. It's a logical fallacy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof

    I don't blame you, Fox News does indeed suck. I agree with the rest of your statement, although I would add that if they are not making nukes, then now is the time to diplomatically insure that they are allies, and that they work with the NPT going forward.
     
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    #26
    Not at all.. Not a pro war here.

    I believe that Iran should be allowed to have peaceful nuclear technology. And diplomacy should be used to make sure that they do not go after nukes.

    Do I believe that Iran will wipe the Israel off the map as soon as they get their hands on nukes?

    No, Iranian president is a loud mouth and Iranian supreme leader is radical no doubt, but they are anything but suicidal idiots. (It bursts bubbles of many Syrian/Lebanonese., who are dreaming that As soon as Iran have nuke. Israel will be gone)
     
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  7. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #27
    Now that is a post I can agree with, from beginning to end. :)
     
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  8. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #28
    i have a lot of issues with your logic
    first nobody with any weight say iran is making nukes.
    at best is they want to
    second is that i have seen this pattern of thinking and its result and i do not like it
    if you don't see it may be this will help. i think it is by bbc. its old but very good
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC6L0WFo1Go

    and finally lets assume you are correct and there is a parallel nuclear program that we don't know where it is located.
    how are we going to hit something that we don't know where it is?
    and if we miss don't you think they will accelerate their program
    and you know my thought on dangers of a nuclear accident

    edit
    i agree with your other comment 100%
    the video is still great
     
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    #29
    I don't recall claiming that Iran is making nukes. I said I have doubts that they are making them. As Ron Paul quotes Israeli historian Martin Van Creveld, - “Obviously, we don’t want Iran to have a nuclear weapon, and I don’t know if they’re developing them, but if they’re not developing them, they’re crazy.”

    Yes, you are allowed to do that, I do not take any issue..

    Certainly you didn't follow my all postings in this thread, and whatever you have read, have read in hurry and jumped on the conclusion that I support the invasion of Iran. That being case, I'd like to state it again that I am against to allow Iran to make nukes with the excuse of being it a defensive weapon, however I do not support the invasion of Iran.

    Yes, I'm pro US, pro Israel and anti terrorism but most definitely I'm not anti Muslim, and most certainly not pro war.
     
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