Sites being heavily penalized by Google

I like what your saying Frank. Google deserves what they get. Every playground bully I have known eventually meets their match.

Yes this is a free network, BUT the members paid for the hardware and Shawn provided his programming skills. So if members (ones that chipped in, I did) have something to say...negative or positive...they have that right.

I for one have said Google has already labelled this and other networks. Whether that is wise or not remains to be seen. I am one of those people you refer to that has made changes to my webmastering to better comply with the new G. I still think linking plays a major role, especially relevant linking, which is any known link networks biggest downfall. For that reason I have packed in the linking network game. It seems to be quite costly to be a member, I am seeing evident of penalties. THAT'S WRONG. Now this tool can be used as a weapon.

I've always had a problem with this bully controlling the net as they do. I absolutely would love to see them fail with their current aggresion but it seems they always win and are abusing their unfair market share.


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who gives a shit what bunch of nobodys with 3 posts who arn't even in the network says anyway, they are probably just clowns from some place like ihelpyou who registered with different names to stir up stuff, those clowns already appeared over at the link-vault forum to do the same crap

"hi, I'm not in the network, I don't ever plan on being in it, but I want you to totally change it to be the way I want it to be, you are all spammers I am better then you, excuse me while I try to go blow matt cutts"

 

sorry if that sounded negative

 

I totally agree with you Homer!

 

Couldn't we just put an autoban IP on the word "manipulation"?

Wait i just said it! *poof*

 

I agreed on your words we have right to say as we will use a thing if it will benefit us and we will not use if it will giva any harm

 

Speak your piece my brother . Doesn't sound negative to me...sounds to me like you're passionate about this network .


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Frank,
I can appreciate the work gone into the ad network, i'm not criticizing "it". Just the portraying of the network as a AD network seems a little odd.

If it wasn't a link network... why does pagerank play into the weighting factors? Why is pagerank taking into consideration but site popularity is not?

ferret77, surely everyone starts somewhere on forums? Wasn't there a point when you had 3 posts? When you did have only 3 posts was you a "nobody" and a "clown"?

Get some class buddy and don't act so arrogant.

 

if your a real person who is actually interested in using the service then my apologys

but it is very common for people to sign up under some random name to just bash, and cause problems , get up on a soap box and basically be an ass

What I don't acutally understand is why if you know how something works , and you don't agree with it , and are not using it, would you take time to try to argue and change it?

I think frontpage sucks to edit html, I'm not going to contact MS to try to get them to fix it, I', just going use macromedia ....

Who gives a shit? What if its both and advertising network that gives a serps boost? Why do you care? What are you some type of investigative reporter? You got the big scoop; people use the coop to not only advertise but to get links. Wow ground breaking you should get a Pulitzer Prize.

 

Possibly.

And yes, I was a member of the coop in the early days.

The reason I decided to voice my opinion is because of the topic of this thread -- people are losing business and just maybe my 2 cents might help.

You've got to remember a small percentage of users are going to genuinely want to use it as a advertising network -- these guys get nuked in the SERPs because of a mis-implementation of what a ad network should be (maybe someone should be held responsible or maybe there should be a warning that the network could be detrimental to Google rankings?).

But i'm clearly not welcome to do that here because I'm a nobody and a clown

 

oh now I feel bad

how could I not see you are here to help people, you are just worried about the poor webmasters who got "nuked"

 

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, ferret, but so is everyone else, regardless of how many posts the individual has. The rather derogatory term "newbie" refers only to how new someone is to this forum - for all you know, that same person may have double or triple the experience with business on the net and with search engines and SEO than you do.

A lot of people share the opinion voiced by speeple and others in this thread. What I find curious is how aggressive and nasty some people seem to get about certain topics like the Coop when the obvious is pointed out.

 

I don't know if I fall into Ferret's idea of 3-post-having-nobody-clown, but I prefer to spend most of my available time working on my sites than arguing on forums. The only reason I even got around to posting is because google finally gave me and others a spanking, and it seems as if it is because we were running coop ads. It's kind of nice to compare notes and see if/when our welts our welts and bruises are gonna heal.

I have no complaints about the network, it is/was a great tool, and it definitely helped me make some money. I even donated a small bit of fundage during the server drive a few months back. I don't think the co-op owes me a damn thing, no one using a free service is in a position to complain about it.

So, has anyone who was penalized seen positioning improvement in the short time since you've pulled co-op ads? So far, nothing on my end.

 

I take it you're being fly? You must have great judgement to be confident enough to say that i'm not here to help people and my intentions aren't good after my whole 5 posts

Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups

 

Welcome to DP Bastardo. Your post(s) are very meaningful to me as I enjoy comparing notes with respectable members...I regard you and Speeple as such so keep it real and maybe we'll get somewhere .

I pulled out of LV (link-vault) about a week and half ago. I have seen no change in the traffic Google is sending to this banned site. The truth is their is only one way this site can go now ^. What really bugs me about this site is I have put alot of time effert and energy into the construction. I truly believe that it is deserving of the top 10 ranking it had for 5 years. Because I don't play any other linking games with it, I am pretty sure artificial linking was my demon.



Cheers


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Look if someone is discussing what is going on , and actually have an interest in the coop , great

But people just sign up , because they hate the co-op and want to bash it, like at the link-vault forum, they have no interest in the future of the co-op and just want it destroyed.

like these people ihelpyou.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=22416

Lots of people have sites deindexed, which may or may not be because of the co-op, I have had numerous site deindexed over the last couple monthes, like 20 or 30, some have coop, some don't, some are duplicate content datafeed sites, some are unique content sites.

Whenever there is a google update there is always some group of people who will try to use it to leverage some personal agenda, in this case people who dislike the co-op and LV come out of the wood work.

I get agressive and nasty because I feel like someone is attacking my income, at least part of my livelyhood. The coop works great for me, and I love it. I don't want it changed, at least drastically. And I think there is many other people who feel that way.

 

I think that's fine. I also think that tells us why you use it - and it really isn't for the advertising traffic, is it?

This isn't about not liking the Coop or LV. It's a discussion about whether or not Google is discounting such link schemes. If you choose to debate that point, I don't think anyone is going to complain.

 

I know and its just so yucky to do things for money,

I don't know how much advertising traffic comes thru its tough to see with all the log spammers crowding up the stats, but it does help SE spiders find pages fast.

I don't think there is much of a discussion on that, the co-op hasn't had a whole lot of effect on google rankings in awhile, and that last update closed a lot of landing page loop holes.

I apologize again for being negative

 

Why is it all the newbs only think of this as a Link Network? Maybe because they've heard of the success one can have second hand. Please don't forget there are options to run ads as banners. (And have banners run on your site as well). Sure Text Links are the most popular option, but it isn't the core.

 

Sheesh. Another one?

I suggest you read the rest of the thread, roadies.