SiteRubix.com Website Builder

Discussion in 'HTML & Website Design' started by jayson07, Sep 29, 2007.

  1. blueparukia

    blueparukia Well-Known Member

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    #21
    Well, a deathshadow has already noticed, the new web site for Site Rubix has so many validation errors its not funny - 154.

    The old site had only 8, so if the new site was designed in Site Rubix, then it must have very bad output.

    BP
     
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  2. zul200289

    zul200289 Peon

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    #22
    Well

    seoblackhat.com is a paid forum ($100/month) so they are scammers.
    wickedfire.com almost became a paid forum so they are scammers too.

    Eli from bluehatseo.com has created SQUIRT which charges its members $100/month.. So Eli's a scammer too.

    Wow there are many scammers out there.
     
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  3. Getagrip

    Getagrip Peon

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    #23
    Well...I finished building my first website with Site Rubix - it is the top one in my signature. I was able to have the entire layout done, including the banner and links to my other pages, within 10 minutes - after that was done, all I had to do was add content. I suppose that it may have some compliance issues, but if it looks good in a web browser, and the customer thinks it looks good, that all that is important to me - and the fact that it was very easy to create.
     
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  4. soulscratch

    soulscratch Well-Known Member

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    #24
    You're a member of Site Rubix. You can't review your own product... WTF are you thinking?
     
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  5. chickens

    chickens Peon

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    #25
    Its the website of the past! That design looks like something from around 1999 or so. This would have been a decent product 8 years ago, but we are in a different era now and there needs to be products that reflect that.

    The design looks horrible, it reminds me of one of the default templates in Dreamweaver 3 or 4. On top of that the code looks like it was by the program as well. As with almost all WYSIWYG programs if something breaks and the person asks a web developer to help they wont get very far. The code is near impossible to read.

    Odds are you are going to say something along the lines of, "This program is so great people wont move away". The fact of the matter is they will once they learn a thing or two about web design. They are going to find the limits of your software and want to move on. With software such as this it makes it nearly impossible to move a site to add what you do not support. This means a total redesign of the site from the ground up.

    From a business standpoint this looks great, until people start complaining loudly about your program. They will, they always complain when locked into a single program they have to pay for monthly.
     
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  6. deathshadow

    deathshadow Acclaimed Member

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    #26
    Chickens - You put it a bit more politely than I did, but that's pretty much what I meant... though 1999? Try 1997...

    Ok, so now we have a site designed in it and... wow, the code makes frontpage look good.

    ID on the HEAD tag - oh yeah, because putting an ID on a non visible element in a page with no javascript is SO necessary.

    No media types on the stylesheet - probably means handhelds and print are screwed up.

    Inlined body properties when there's a perfectly good stylesheet.

    Tables aren't bad - unneccessary tables are bad. Nesting 10 tags deep JUST for the header text which shouldn't even be more than two to three deep... yeah, that's great.

    A hidden input with no form - yeah, that's useful.

    Excess classes and inline stylings that should be applied via the stylesheet and from the wrapping ID or class instead of on each and every element - that's just wasteful bloat.

    Use of target="_blank" which is generally impolite, improper and outright annoying - there's a REASON it was pulled from the STRICT specs.

    No proper header tags, no source order optimization, no semantic markup - In other words, no SEO. For all those people saying people don't care about the code, they should when what is being advertised is directly related to the code... oh wait, didn't the original page say something about SEO? Hard to tell now that not only is it gone, but it doesn't seem to have been cached by the usual suspects. (wayback machine)

    Oh wait, it's in it's own page:
    BULL. One look at the code SCREAMS bullshit. (I also like how it's worded to say "yes, this is for fly by night click-through link-whores" in a polite way.)

    Of course, such coding also means reduced accessability, more difficulty maintennance, headaches from hell requiring a whole rewrite when you grow up enough to have a REAL web page, etc, etc.

    _extended="true" - Welcome to IE only hell. Never quite been sure why anyone would ever need to declare that in the first place, apart from wasting bandwidth for no good reason.

    Hey look - a menu that's not only not a list, it's a div nested mess from hell.

    <p _extended="true"><font face="Arial" size="2" _extended="true"> over and over and over again back to back with no variation... Brilliant.

    <br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - nothing like wasting bandwidth...

    Which I suppose brings up another point about these sorts of programs I've never quite understood - the over the top bloated and dated code when more modern coding techniques can SAVE money and INCREASE PROFIT margins in the long term by way of using less bandwidth (just like aggressive image encoding and telling Flash to **** off). IF this is serious and was to catch on you'd think they'd want the files as minimalist as possible, instead of the uber-bloated 1997 style rubbish this 'rubix' vomits up at the moment... We're talking 12k of HTML doing the job of half that. If the rest of it is that way you are talking about halving your bandwidth or more (CSS caches across pages).

    Color me unimpressed. Doesn't matter how 'easy' it is to use, if the code it generates is garbage, lagging behind the standards with non semantic markup and all the sites end up the same bland crap over and over it's NOT 'professional grade', nor is it anything that a nube should be bothering to use because they not only aren't learning to do it right, they are also being spoon fed code that when they 'grow up' is going to be useless and as Chickens put it - need a total redesign of the site from the ground up.

    As I originally said, I truly pity anyone duped into using this.
     
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  7. Getagrip

    Getagrip Peon

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    #27
    Well, if I think its a good product, I'm going to recommend it. You CAN review products you believe in...nothing wrong with that.

    As far as all of the code is concerned, I guess we'll just have to wait and see where I'm ranked in the search engines. I suppose you guys can also rip on all of the compiance issues for my Wealthy Affiliate Review site too, but I'm ranked 7th on Google for "Wealthy Affiliate", and that's out of 133,000, so that counts for something - I'm expecting similar results for the term "Site Rubix".

    By the way, I took at the Alexa Traffic Ranking for http://zacgarrett.com/ in chicken's signature. Alexa Traffic ranking of Rank: 3,127,085. If you guys are all so good with SEO and being compliant and all of that, why are your website's ranked so low?
     
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  8. chickens

    chickens Peon

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    #28
    Alexa means NOTHING. it is a piece of spyware that should be ignored, the stats are utter BS. Anything that tracks a users movements across the internet is spyware, plain and simple.

    My site is geared towards teaching people to remove badware from their computer such as any toolbars. it is extremely niche; around 90% of the people on my site use Firefox and there is about a 45/45/10 ratio of Windows/Mac/Linux.

    I am a server admin who has a passion for technology and standards. I know very little about SEO and I dont plan on becoming an expert in the subject. What I do know is how to support clients. I've been in the web hosting arena for many years now and have supported countless people. I know how people react to bad products. I worked for one of the worst web hosts out there, startlogic, for a month when it first started. This pretty much told me what kind of scammers are out there in the world.

    Oh yeah, I break even off all of my online adventures. I am not out to make money, I just want to help people find the best solution to their problems. Quite often it is warning them against horrible services and pointing them to something better.
     
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  9. deathshadow

    deathshadow Acclaimed Member

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    #29
    Because 30-50% or more of our userbases probably isn't even tracked by Alexa because they are smart enough to use browsers OTHER than IE? Because some of us rip the VULNERABILITY that makes alexa work in windows XP out by the nuts shortly after installing?

    Because anyone with a halfway decent security suite isn't going to be tracked by Alexa either? Adaware takes and axe to it, Spybot S&D takes an axe to it... There are even ROUTERS that block it's whole address range these days.

    Hell, even the Vista 'defender' blocks alexa as malware these days.

    ...and of course, it too is on ALL of the major adblock/malware block lists.

    So that's two for two on promoting the malware sites - way to go guys! What's next, linking us to Bonzi Buddy?

    Let me put it this way - http://www.classicbattletech.com - one of my medium sized clients that I maintain - it has forum traffic of 5,000+ daily active members, see's about 1,200 posts a day, pushes out 1.6 million pageviews and 300+ gigs traffic a month (despite using every trick in the book I have to keep the filesizes under control). It is a thriving site in a niche market that makes money for the company it's for because it actually markets a REAL WORLD product... Most likely more money than any of these advertising scams.

    It's Alexa rank? 220,914

    Alexa means exactly two things, and Jack left town.

    ... and Yes, the code at classicbattletech.com is dated and needs a rewrite too. If you look at your own HTML of two years ago and don't feel the need to vomit - you have no business coding websites!

    BTW - as to Zac's website - it's a crappy (no offense Zac) little personal blog powered by serendipity. Much like someones personal blogger page or some crap turdpress site it shouldn't ever rank lower than 3 million in the first damned place.

    As George Carlin said - not every ejaculation deserves a name. (For those of you who are not familiar with literary devices, that's called a similie)
     
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  10. Getagrip

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    #30
    I'm surprised to hear that Alexa is considered to be malware. So if Google or Yahoo track movement across the internet are they considered to be malware as well?

    Even if the Alexa stats aren't entirely accurate, they certainly aren't made up, and they can serve as a general guide about how well a website is doing. When you think about it, and Alexa rank of 220,914 isn't a bad ranking - being ranked in the top 220,000 of on the internet on Alexa means the website is doing something right.

    As far as my websites not being compliant and out of date, like I said, that isn't important to me, as long as I can get good Google rankings - and I've been able to accomplish that with several of my websites. Ideally, I'd like them to be compliant, but I don't think you realize how difficult website design comes to me - even when I use templates, hence the reason I think Site Rubix is a great for someone like me.

    One thing I would like to point out about marketing real world products is that you CAN do that with internet marketing - there are a lot of brick and mortar businesses that market their products over the internet...and there is nothing wrong with marketing web design software to people that need it.

    I know you guys have a genuine concern in trying to help people, but I think you can go about it in more constructive ways, and I think you are unfairly calling things "scams" that aren't scams at all.
     
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  11. deathshadow

    deathshadow Acclaimed Member

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    #31
    It all hinges on HOW they gather their numbers. Google and Yahoo for the most part use their own search results to get their ratings - and when they do use their toolbar to gather data you KNOW you are installing a toolbar, and the toolbar doesn't do any real reporting apart from the search.

    Alexa on the otherhand has been using underhanded tricks from day one - back in the day they slipstreamed in their activex plugin to IE without so much as a by your leave, then they used an exploit in the XP codebase to force-feed it into machines, and even today you can get the alexa toolbar 'accidentally' installed should a user answer yes to the "we need to install and activeX control" question. They've been caught keylogging, brute force port probing and a host of other "sleazeball no-no's"

    ... and like most sleazeballs online they prey on the ignorance of Joe Sixpack and Susie Cupcakes.

    Oh, and mind you we're talking Yahoo's search ratings aren't malware - many of their games and 'value added' software have been recognized as malware - most of which gets installed when you install their messenger (which is why I use either Pidgin or Trillian as appropriate instead) As someone who sells and repairs machines on the side Yahoo messenger and their other installable software is on my "do not install/use or I consider your warranty void" list alongside products from McAfee and Symantec.
     
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  12. Getagrip

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    #32
    That is interesting about Alexa - whenever I used to run Spybot S&D, Alexa was always coming up. However, I don't think it was really a "threat" to my computer, but now I know why it always seemed to come back!
     
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    #33
    Hello.

    I don't know much stuff about building websites I just use Site Rubix. Lol.
    Hey Site Rubix and Wealthy Affiliate are not an scams.
    I got proof!

    http://www.usfreeads.com/999101-cls.html

    This is Site Rubix Interface:
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    A site that I finished using Site Rubix:

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    Yep i have two affiliate links in my signature but i am not trying to spam or obligating you to join or anything. That is up to you.

    I just thought that I should let everybody know WA is not a scam.Ultimate Wealth Package and other hype ebooks are but Wealthy Affiliate is definitely not.So don't take this as spamming.:cool:

    P.D: Even if you don't feel like signing up for Wealthy Affiliate, I suggest you sign up for their free guide, they give away lots of useful information.

    They are sending a cool ebook on How To Find Hot Profitable Niches for Free using what is hot right now. It is like thinking like a customer who wants to buy something expecific and then finding niche keywords from that.
    Or if you PM me I can send it tou you.
     
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  14. WiiWorld

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    #34
    Its was done by a 14 year old scamer
     
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    areebb Peon

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    #35
    Well, well, well...

    I've been a member of WA for 3 months. And hence I've been introduced to Site Rubix. And to be quite honest.. it is crap.

    I was very disappointed in Kyle and Carson. I swear I tried to create a website in it and although it showed up decent-looking in the Site Rubix editor itself, once I exported it to an HTML page, it went badonkadonk! I had to manually edit the HTML code to get it to look decent which took longer than having designed the website in HTML from scratch.

    You'd be better off using Dreamweaver which probably produces way better HTML code and is a lot more professional. K&C say they spent $100,000 on the tool. If that's true, that's money poured down the drain. I swear I could design a better tool for a fraction of that price.

    So yea, although I love WA and the people there, don't join just for Site Rubix. It is probably one of the crappiest web design tools I've seen in a while (No offence to K&C). If you're looking for a free and easy to use web design tool, try weebly.com. Now THAT is what I call an amazing service.
     
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