Site Ban by Google Please Help

I wasnt suggesting that you was. I also do appreciate you trying to educate me pertaining to these issues. As I said I know nothing about coding so any advise is appreciated.

BTW I am off to an appointment so if there is a reply that needs to be made it will be made tonight when I get back and once again thank you all for the advise and comments

 

That is not a high-jacking, its a frame.

Ever think maybe google is catching the White Background and white text as a problem on accident? I'd try changing the hue.

 

Hey DP,

How do I use frames to do what you did with the CNN site? I am legally trying to do that with the Kingston Memory tool. I already have their permission, but I am not sure how to code it. Any help? Direct me to a good site if you know one. I have been looking for awhile....

 

I woudn't worry too much. He is one of these who winge a lot and are never at fault.

In an adaption to a UK saying about antique dealers:

If you put three realtors on a remote island and give them a square yard of development there would be roaring trade but he would probably be the one that fells the single remaining palm tree to make an advertising board.

M

 

Yes I did say that..BUT it was suggested by Seo Guy to help him promote to the other realtors on the board. I wrote it and told seo guy if it wasnt to his liking then rewrite it..he had my PW for the forum.

Also why wouldnt I be happy..I had top 10 in the serps..I had no reason to go looking into my website. As far as all the BS seo guy was sling out well I allowed him to do that and maybe even prodded him a little.

Here is a link to the other forum that I believe will shed a little light. The thread is long but read that last page. I believe this will tell you who is being truthful here. I know that noone here is defending anyone but I feel that the picture needs to be made clear. Pay attention to the fact that Seo Guy makes statements about what he was and wasnt.Then look at the emails I posted. Those are his emails. http://forums.seochat.com/showthread.php?t=12491&page=4

As I have stated Dont Judge A Book By Its Cover

 

Yada yada winge winge...

You can't be serious about some of the stuff you're writing here.
Don't you notice that more and more people subscribe to the threat for the sheer entertainment value?
I'm pretty sure all development in the realtor sector has stopped because the people are just falling about laughing, incapable to do any work, but this maybe what you're aiming at. Pretty shrewed way to get to the top.
M

 

You are entitled to your opinion but I can tell you there are a lot that dont feel the way you do.I believe people here are smart enough to read between the lines and make their own judgement. You on the other hand may be just someone who revels in practices that I mention is a problem with people trusting your profession. I personally dont have to have an seo to make a living but it is just another marketing tool that can produce more income.

This is NOT about entertaning anyone. As for the realtor community. I can tell you there are more realtors that feel the way I do then not. Most realtors dont even know what PR is..does this make them entertaining..I would hope not. We all can not be authorities on every subject matter. There are a lot of realtors that hire the so called seo experts that take their money, promise them the world and then produce nothing. The sad part about your comments are you dont take this serious..but I would imagine sitting in front of a computer all day you dont have a worry in the world. As long as clients keep sending their money and waiting with baited breath you will always be in business no matter who you have to take advantage of to make that little bit of pocket change.

My situtation I dont rely on the web to support my family. I make a very good living without the web..but those of us on the internet that depend on the so call seo experts to practice business ethically and provide services that have been paid for depend on your profession to operate in an ethical manner.

It seems to me with all the post made on this thread you seem to be the only one who seems to think this is funny. My statements I make about certain technical issues may be funny because of my lack of knowledge but where do YOU have the right to judge me. If this post was on issues relating to real estate I am sure you would be out of your element and those of us in the real estate industry would consider you entertaining.

 

I would agree that Atlanta Realtor is a whiner, complainer, and probably the client from hell. But in this case he has a legitimate question, he is totally lost, frustrated, groping for any answer, and he is only asking for help from you in the SEO community.

One thing he says that he has in common with the other site that has dropped in SERP's is the purchasing of links. In both cases they each had hundreds of these and many came from the same websites and provided by the same person. Could this be a factor?

In two other forums this question (or possible problem) has been raised to his SEO whatever. Within minutes of this question being posted both threads were closed.

My question is this: Could the purchasing of backlinks for the purpose of raising his PR be the cause of his drop in the SERP's. If so, will this become a problem for others who are doing the same?

 

Wow, that is right out of hand. The SERP's are touch and go. Everyone knows this. You may be flying along and then dropped. I think that you should learn from your mistake and all parties should cease and desist. This thing has the feeling of ending up in court. You should never rely on the SE as your number one source of clients (related to real estate). The engines could change tomorrow leaving all in the dark. Regardless, what you have here is a very interesting battle that should be done in private. I think the mods here should shut this thread down and force these parties to discuss these matters in private. These platforms only lead to ugliness and people lose business over these types of arguements.

Atlanta Realtor, you have been burned, not by an SEO, but by what looks like Google's TOS. Now, this is their website, so they may do with it as they feel. I think your best bet would be to contact them and try to find out what you did wrong. Don't slander SEO-guy to them or say "it wasn't me, it was him". The great thing about these forums is that if there is a way to help you, someone here, or at another place will try to help. No one wants to see anyone get banned, and unless there was some cloaking going on with your site or some other form of linking to your site from banned linkfarms etc.... then you should not have been banned IMO. Either way though, I will wish you the best and hope that you get this resolved asap. I think that Google and Real Estate have a hard time getting along. A lot of leads are done through the search engines, so these battles seem to cause extreme bitterness.

If I could make one recommendation. Change your url, content etc... and move on. I know it is a lot of work, but I think that may be your best bet. I know a site that was banned from Yahoo (real estate related) and they have made zero headway in trying to get back in.

I hope this helps, people need to quit beating up on people.

 

I can be the client from hell and I wont argue that statement. The reason I can be is because I am in the customer service business so therefore I set a higher level of standards for people I do business with. As far as whining..no chance. People that you would refer to as being whiners usually are very unhappy with their lives. I can tell you I have a very good life personally and business. Not just for the fact that myself and my family are set for life financially but also because I have people around that love and care about me and I am respected in my community.

Now to the question you ask about the links. Yes I feel that could be a problem. As you stated the reason I would complain is the fact I am no seo expert but even having what little knowledge I do that has come from forums like this. I know that you dont purchase links from the same IP block and then place 2 clients that are also linked to eachother by theme on those as my seo expert did. This is why I speculate that instead of really looking out for his clients best interest..Its all about the BUCK to him.

We all know that this seo is respected and some believe Very Knowledgable. So why this rookie mistake? That cost me my very good rankings.

I do want to repair my website and I do understand that google smokes crack sometimes but I feel the fall of my website is based on the mistakes my so called seo expert made.

I have had others that I know personally look at my site ..one of which is a programmer and said my code looks like s..t..that it is very unprofessional. I do know that none of my code meets WC3 or whatever it is..LOL. I have even had editors point this out to me from Dmoz. Which they did say was a small issue with my website being listed.

 

I do agree with some of your statements. I would have one question though. If we as consumers hire Seo's who are suppose to be knowledge about the do's and dont's of the SEs.. When we as consumers get banned after paying for these services..who do you blame..The Client?

If we as clients had the knowledge the so called Seo Experts say they have..why would we need them? As stated in my last post I believe the reason looking back at my site and information I have gotten from other members here and other forums..This was a rookie mistake with the linking structure that my Seo swore up and down there wasnt a problem with it. So who do we hold accountable.

 

Well, because there is no school for becoming an SEO (that I am aware of) and no real control over who can and cannot claim to be an SEO, then yes, I do blame the client. I am my own SEO, only because I researched who SEO's were and what kind of legislation, schooling and brethern was out there. Low and behold, there was not a lot of any of the above. You take a chance in the SEO game. There is no way that anyone can guarantee #1 position without shelling out dough to the SE itself. That is the only thing that I am sure of right now. Other than that, everything is 'chance'. There are SEO's that work hard and do the right things, but there cannot be guarantee's.

Until there is some control over SEO's, everyone and their dog can be one. You just have to be careful.

 

I agree with everything you said other then ..Blaming the Client. If this was the case the court system wouldnt be full of breach of contract or breach of fiduciary responsibility lawsuits and judgements handed down. I know as a Realtor if I was to mislead a client or not perform my fiduciary obligations I would be sued in a heartbeat. As it should be. I have a duty to my clients. The reason they hire me is because they do not understand all the legal aspects of buying or selling a home and want to be covered legally if something goes worng. The same should apply to hiring an seo. We as consumers hire them to perform a job and when that job isnt performed they should be held liable.

This is the problem with this profession there is no regulated governing entity. Most of these professionals that work out of their homes and have some little LLC set up that has no assets whether business or personal are not worried about being sued. Right now though this is all that is available to most consumers.

I do believe however that in time this industry will be regulated and then the trash will be thrown out.

 

I would just like to comment on the statement regarding the linking strategy being a "rookie mistake".

I do not beleive this to be the case.

Until last Friday, that strategy was working for many websites. Multiple links from the same website yielded as positive effect as any.

However, the experimental page that we have been watching since April 7th also took a big hit Friday and dropped from #41 to #143. I have since read reports of other pages/sites taking a big hit since last Friday.

I am starting to believe that Google had a problem or more than likely "tweeked" again.

I was commenting earlier in the week that Google as taken a direction that had all but eliminated the "little guy" as only those who had the resources to acquire thousands of links, could compete in the serps currently.

In the last few months, those who were succeeding either had large networks of websites of which they could set up incredible numbers of links within a very short time OR they had enough cash to lay out to purchase the same.

The link selling game was coming into full bloom.

If Google has taken steps to devalue links coming from a single source, it is probably a wise step toward curtailing this activity.

It is much easier to manipulate linking by setting up ten websites with hundreds (if not thousands) of pages each and coming up with thousands of links to a "new" page than it is to acquire the same amount of links from individual websites.

Who would care to speculate the number of "Link Garden websites" that have sprouted up since the first of the year? A "Link Garden website" is what I call a website that was created with a primary purpose of generating pages that could be used to "plant" links on.

Maybe Google is just trying to foil this new linking "strategy".

IMHO,
Caryl

 

Atlanta Realtor,

I believe there are many honest people working out there in the land of SEO. But, SEO alone is nothing you could build a fortune 500 company on.

There is absolutely no way to "master" the search engines. Creating a solid, stable website takes a great deal of time. Time is something that most consumers do not want to spend. There in lies the dilema.

Quick surges to the top rankings are constantly met with resistance from the search engines themselves. I believe Google is working diligently to foil those who would manipulate their algorithm and websites/pages popping up all over with thousands of links, right out of the gate, are probably easy targets for G to go after.

I do NOT like the idea of Google doing what I have just speculated above, but I am starting to believe that it is "back to the drawing board again" as far as linking strategies go.

IMHO,
Caryl

 

I've never been a fan of paying for links because this thing can back fire on you, and this is what has happened with the website in this thread. If you had gone and bought links of a website yourself, without any SEO intervention who would you have blamed. I bet any money it would of been the website selling links.

Sometimes in business you have to make your own decisions and if it's a mistake, then that's simply life. Blaming a SEO about it's services is like blaming a pigeon for crapping on your car. (unless they have used spammy techniques - which the SEO hasn't)

I completely disagree. I'm a little guy, I don't pay for links, I can't afford to pay for links, but I'm making a living out of my business AND it's doing great in the search engines, WHY? I've taken ADVICE from people with SEO knowledge from forums like this.

I think you know more than you say you do about SEO, and you know the risks you take, you should stand by your decision and move on.

Someone please close this thread

Darren

 

I think my point is being missed. Its not the fact that I purchased links. Its the fact that this seo placed links on my website from almost all the same IP blocks and then turned around and placed a lot of those same links to another realtor client of his who links his site to mine.

I am just a realtor but if some of the statements here are true..then having 1. links coming from the same IP block is bad.
2.Linking two themed sites together with purchased links from the same IP block is Bad.

I understand that google can change its also at anytime which means no matter what any of us do we are always at risk. ....BUT I feel that pertaining to the way the linking structure paid and recipical linking between me and the other real estate client of this seo was a rookie mistake.

Oh BTW if I had purchased the links on my own..that is my fault and I have noone to blame but myself..but setting the link structure as this seo expert did since I am no seo is His Fault