Simple copy/paste work needed, regular work by the hour

He is NOT hiring from the USA....

oH MAN ----- I really wanted the job....

Heres his reply .........

 

Living Earth,

If my neighbor offered to hire my son doing outdoor, manual labor work in the US, it would be a violation of laws and yes, I would look at it differently. But my son could not live on $10 a day as he could in other countries. A better way to look at it is what percent of a nation's prevailing wage am I paying. For the two candidates I am using, I am paying an amount comparable to that countries prevailing wage. That is why I am using somebody overseas.

And as for cheapening the profession, have you lodged similar protests against those selling warez forums? Or forums that derive their revenue from selling illegal downloads? How about porn sites that benefit from the sex trade? Those actions are far more unethical and illegal than anything I'm doing. I haven't seen your posts in those sales threads (where I have actually written protest comments).

FG

 

Sorry Sunday Brew, I didn't mean to get in your way there. Pssst I've seen your work. You're worth a lot more..

 

I'd like to give this a try. PMed you Finance Guy.

 

Oh now quit being so hard on him. He did state everything that he was looking for up front. I don't agree with it myself, but it is a copy/paste job. He doesn't need a 1000 word article wrote on Medicare or Ceiling Fans. He just needs someone who willingly will work for cheap and made no bones about it.

I agree with livingearth that it cheapens this profession when people will do a job for that low amount. I would have liked to seen everyone willing to do the work keep their bids above the US minimum wage.

And sundaybrew, I've got plenty of work to keep you busy for a long time anybody wanna go cheaper?

 

While I wouldn't work for such a low rate, I don't have a problem with his asking. The point here is to try to be the lowest qualified bidder, right?

As a former hotel manager where labor laws were of huge concern, I do find the whole thing rather humorous, as there seems to be some misunderstanding here about our Labor Laws.

In this instance, you aren't technically hiring an employee, you are engaging a private contractor, who is allowed to set his or her own rates for the service provided. So, if you set up the agreement for the service provided, and estimate the amount of time to be spent on said job, then the contractor can bid whatever rate he or she wants.

If anyone from the US wants to bid $29.70 (~1 hour a day for 30 days at $0.99) for a service and someone in the US wants to take that offer, then the both are perfectly free to do so. The minimum wage has no bearing on the matter.

So, FinanceGuy, you can relax. The DOL isn't going to come knocking on your door. Everyone else, can chill out as well...he is neither breaking the law nor doing anything unethical.

 

Stop being so cheap.

 

Ray P.,

Are you suggesting that when somebody comes to me and says "I'll do that work for $2 an hour" I say "No, I want to pay you more"? Again everybody, I asked people to make pricing offers and I chose to accept them or not. Would you or anybody else, if offered $20 and hour to do a job say "No, let me charge you less". Any deal is based on both parties being happy with the work and the rate charged. That is the case here so please, everybody stop being so paternalistic. The people I am hiring are working freely at a rate THEY specified. All I did was accept their offer for my proposal.

LeftHandWriter, thanks for the support. My concern with the whole "independent contractor" issue is that there is a fine line between what is an employee and contractor. Especially here in California the state labor board looks very poorly upon independent contractor deals where the contractor earns below minimum wage and looks at whehter they were truly independent, i.e. did they receive too much instruction, guidance, etc. Better to avoid all such issues.

FG

 

While I agree that my comments were a bit over an imaginary line (probably because my response happened late at night, I'm usually more of a smart ass then). I feel the need to clarify that there was not a direct correlation towards your "workforce" and the walking upright comment. I followed it with a plant joke and hope I did not offend a race that is green and produces energy via photosynthesis.

Don't be so sensitive when you are asking people to do work at a price which is clearly not fair and that no one of legal working age will do. There is a reason that other posters are giving you a hard time about this, it's wrong.

"Are you suggesting that when somebody comes to me and says "I'll do that work for $2 an hour" I say "No, I want to pay you more?" - Yes we are, have some standards. No one likes a sweat shop foreman. If you have any integrity pay them more and choose the applicant that is clearly the best, instead of the cheapest bidder. That is no way to get quality work done, just a bunch of people milking the clock.

"Especially here in California the state labor board looks very poorly ... Better to avoid all such issues." - Sounds like the place you live agrees with us. Perhaps we should ask your fearless leader (Arnold Schwarzenegger) what he would do in your position.

Knowing the cost of living in California, you probably live in a $300,000+ dollar house. Is paying a fair amount really going to hurt you that badly. If so pay a programmer to write a scraper program, I hear computers will work for free if you just tell them what to do.

Guys accepting the job, I am speaking up on your behalf because you deserve better. Even if it is just copy/paste work, respect yourself. If you keep cutting the legs off your competition by lowering your prices, you will end up working for just pennies. Don't believe me? Just take a look at how far the wage for this thread has dropped in a few days. This is no way to help your family long term and is terrible for your countries economy.

My final suggestion for you, Mr. Foreman, is to get rid of the hourly wage and go to a performance based payment system. People will post to forums for .10-.15 cents per post, surely they will copy/paste at the same price. Doing this would keep the humanity defending, tree huggers off your ass.

 

I think you are right looking for cheap "labour" but it would have been better to ask people to PM you their "rate". By pitting people against each other, it meant people were probably going to go WAY lower then they should have.

 

EAD,

Thanks for clarifying your earlier comment, I hope none of the applicants were offended but glad to have you clarify nonetheless.

I think everybody is missing a key point here. I am paying the prevailing wage *in the country* these workers live in. That is why I am hiring somebody overseas. The cost of living in their country is far, far less than here in the US and therefore, $2 an hour will buy them far more than it would here in the US. So, they can live on far less and therefore are willing to work for far less. I would not expect somebody from the US to work for these rates. However, if I can't get somebody to work for $2 an hour, my sites would not be profitable and therefore I wouldn't hire anybody at all. Right now they sites are losing money so I'm hardly getting rich off the backs of the "working poor". Let me say that again, if I didn't pay these rates, the people applying wouldn't get the work and I wouldn't be hiring anybody else. The only people being hurt by overseas workers working for less are the people posting in this forum about how it cuts the legs off of the competition. Yes, it certainly does. But I'm a computer programmer, I've been hurt directly by overseas competition so instead of fighting it, I'm switching gears and doing something else. Adapt or else, basically the way I see it.

So while I appreciate all the arguments (I am a tree hugger by the way, thank you very much ), they are missing the point. The people who are doing this work have chosen to do so at the price *they* offerred. Does that suck for people living in expensive countries trying to compete? Sure does, just like me trying to compete with a programmer in India who'll do my job for 1/10th my salary. But as much as I may hate it, that's the reality and all the wishing in the world (or posting in forums) won't put the genie back in the bottle.

Again, please just acknowledge that the people hurt here are those trying to compete. The people working for me are working at a wage which allows them a comfortable (not luxurious but certainly livable) lifestyle in their country with the freedom to work when they want, where they want. One woman has said this will allow her to earn a little extra money while she stays at home and takes care of her children. I'm not claiming that I'm some saint making her life great but I'm certainly not some draconian foreman cracking the whip saying "Type faster and no breaks for you!" and I resent the comparison.

As far as clock watchers. I've done this work myself, I know how long it should take, and I've made it clear to the applicants that I would be guaging the quality of their work. If they move at real slow rate, they'll be out of work, simple as that.

And as for not making this a reverse auction type of post, almost all the work requests on DP are auction type posts, at least over in the sales threads. People bid or reverse bid all the time. Of course I wanted people to bid low, that's negotiating and seeing what your competition is offering. And actually, the people I did end up talking too pm'd me directly and didn't respond so their rates didn't cause anybody else to lowball themselves. And I didn't make this a per piece request as the work is highly varied and I want them to do a good job and not rush. I've hired paid posters by the post and while sometimes the work has been great, it usually stinks.

Finally, post if you must but please at least admit that the posts are partially, primarily or maybe even entirely designed to protect yourselves, not those doing the work for me. As I've tried to say over and over again, they're fine, doing the work of their own free will at rates they specified. I'm sure they would love to be paid more, wouldn't we all? If they feel hurt or underpaid, they can request more or move on. At least be honest with the intent of your posts and I'll respect that.

Thanks,
FG

 

I'm very interested in this job. Please let me know if blinking or walking in a circle is required for this job. Thanks.

 

I did 2100 copy and paste articles as a rush job for 45.00 dollars USD back before Christmas 2006, I was happy to have that money. I wasn't working outside of the home. I think my agent (forum poster company) actually squeezed an extra ten bucks from the customer, he originally was wanting it done for 35.00 dollars, she asked me if I would do it for that 35.00 price and I asked her if she thought it a fair price (honestly I had/have no clue what the rate should be for such work) and she said-I don't know, let me try to get more.... I was like.. ALRIGHT!! lol

Yep, it's just contract work. All good!

PS. I averaged $3.75 an hour for that work (usd)

 

Joy check ur PM

 

Dear sir,
I am very much interested in your project. I am India. I have one year experience in similar jobs. My hourly rate is $5. If you are interested I can offer a more cheaper rate. So please send me more details to my mail dhanoos123@rediffmail.com.

Dhanya

 

take me in i am indian

 

interested pm me

 

interested in your offer. pm me details....available for work 4-5 hours daily....you can pay me via paypal or egold....completed similar projects in past....

 

Hello,
I am available for 5$/hour on a long term basis.
Thanks.

 

I'm interested to do this work for $2.
I'm an Indian.

I love playing video games.
I have PayPal.
I'm a graduation student and can work for an hr a day.
I have good computer and English skills.

If you are willing please let me know.