Silly me and niche keywords

Discussion in 'Keywords' started by JamesIsHere, Mar 25, 2006.

  1. #1
    Hey digital point friends. How silly of me to start a Guns N' Roses site targeted with the keyword "Guns N Roses," from the start. I've been using the free trial from wordtracker to look for different keywords and I'm starting to see that I was pretty pigheaded to try to dominate "Guns N Roses" from the start. I'm trying to break down certain sections on my webpage into sections that are based around different keywords; however, I have a question

    When one researches a keyword, I know you have to take into consideration competing websites, thats the whole point of the idea, but if you find a good keyword with few competing websites. Whats a good amount of predicted visitors a day to base a website around, I thought if I have few competing sites for a keyword that gets 32 searches a day (im using the free trial of wordtracker so thats only using MSN which is apparently about 9% of search traffic), thats a good number. Any ideas, when you researched your first niche keyword, how many predicted searches did that have a day?

    As always, thanks for your help, sorry bout the long post but I wanted to be specific with my question.
     
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  2. simey

    simey Active Member

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    Theres so many variables.
    Are you targeting terms and keywords that will pay a high/low amount from sales/aff. commisions or adsense?
    Will the site likely get 'sandboxed'?
    Is the competition strong or weak?
    Do you expect a growing need for your product or content?

    Personally I consider anything over 400/month on overture keyword tool as a possibility depending....
     
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  3. JamesIsHere

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    Thanks for your reply Simey, I'm new to looking at niche keywords thats why I tried to knock out a lot of potential responses in my post, but apparently I should of given more information.
    -The terms I'm targetting do not generate high amounts per click from adsense, which I'm using
    -The site being sandboxed, well on google yes, MSN im doing pretty well for certain keywords
    -The competition I'm seeing for the keywords I'm looking at is under 200 sites, and when looking at the search engine results for my potential keywords I feel capable I could outrank the top sites
    -No I do not see a growing need for my content, its Guns N' Roses content, the band is pretty much dead I started the site cause it was an interest
     
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  4. corinaw

    corinaw Not Banned

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    Sorry for the long post, but there are tons of keywords to target. Go for the “long tail” keywords first.

    Build off the existing content and make the new pages unique. I don't really consider the number of competing websites, but I have a larger site, and by covering all the possible relavent topics, I know that eventallly I'll be up in the serps.

    PS I use goodkeywords.com It's free



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  5. JamesIsHere

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    I appreciate it corinaw, forgive me for this simple question. Are the numbers next to the keywords competing webpages or searches, or something else?
    Thanks.
     
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  6. Mong

    Mong ↓↘→ horsePower

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    it is searches :)
     
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    corinaw Not Banned

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    Yes. Specifically the searches per month.
     
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  8. JamesIsHere

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    Mong, where do u live its 4:30am in Virginia, where I live, lol you don't have to answer that question.
     
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    Mong is a hunter. He keeps to no timeline. :)

    nocturnal, I suspect.
     
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  10. JamesIsHere

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    Hmm, if those are searches per month, I beleive I could peel off about half of them (for the more specific keywords) if I tried hard and created many new pages. Ohh, are they searches for a compilation of many search engines or one specific one.
     
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    I am not able to honestly answer your question. as far as I know, it is overture and perhaps one other se. It's not (obviously) the searches on google. Goodkeywords.com has the info.

    One ineteresting point that I have noticed, (that others might have not mentioned) is possibly inflated search counts, vs actual traffic received.

    Heres the answer: after 3 months of rank checking, I noticed that, "keyword, location" came up in the keyword results. So when you hear folks complaining about the search results vs actual visitors being skewed, IMO it's all the seo's running search queries. You will not get the same traffic as the tools suggest. Perhaps (I'm not sure) 50% is a good assumption.
     
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  12. JamesIsHere

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    Well heck, I think I can live with 50%.
     
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    Just knowing the keywords is a very good start. You now know the topics to write for!

    I have a few pages with an estimated/reported searches as low as 24 total searches per month.

    I'm happy to report at this point, I really don't care. The cpc, is good, I dominate the serps, and I am just building my site to the point it is considered an authority.
     
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    Thats a great way to look at things in IMO. Sometimes I'll get down and say James why are you even working so hard on this page if adsense isn't giving you anything for your time. Thats when I say for a while, why'd you start this site, and the reason I started it was because I wanted to share my love for my favorite band with other people. That usually works till I get adsense inspired again.
     
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