Shouldn't America be returned back to the Native Americans ( Red Indians ) ?

Sorry, were you able to point out a single nation in which racism is a crime? Just one please. Grab a clue. Racism isn't criminal anywhere or most people would be in jail. What most civil nations criminalize are things like assault and theft, with stiffer penalties if such offenses are committed in the name of racial hatred. The Jew and Arab hating Klu Klux Klan are perfectly within their rights to march down the streets in the USA, proclaiming their hatred of Jews and Arabs. The difference between your video of the racists in Israel, and the same video taken in an Arab state is that the police officer would be helping the racist rather than protecting the minority whose welfare was threatened.

Provide the quote where I made that agreement. You won't find it. I simply pointed out that most Arab states are racist in exactly the way you are trying to claim Israel is.

This is P&R, not the comedy forum. How many Jews in Egypt are there again? How many religions outside of Christianity and Islam?? How many non-Arabs? If you can't comprehend basic numbers, how can you expect to carry on a debate with an adult?

Israel has you beat on every last one of those non-subjective measurements, and not just beat by a little. We are talking a Rodney King style beat down. Maybe that is because Israel has an educated population with people who can read and understand statistics and numbers, unlike yourself. As you are probably unwilling to acknowledge, education is another place where Israel has you(and every other Arab state) whooped by such staggering proportions it is embarrassing.

Can the president of Egypt be a Jew? How bout Syria? Libya? Saudi Arabia? Iraq? Jordan? If not, you must be claiming these places are all highly racist.


By the way, I'm framing this quote into my clip board. It sums up the validity of your complaints about racism nicely:

I'm sure you support the expulsion of Arabs and Pakistanis from every western nation because we are at war with extremists who are Arabs and Pakistanis. I'm sure you support the expulsion of every Arab from Israel, for the same reasons you justify Jews being persecuted and expelled from Arab lands. Terrific of you to take such a non-hypocritical stance on the issues.

 

@Obamanation ,

Then most of your people aren't civilized , Simple as that .

You agree with the establishment of Israel , Israel is a Religious based country . I don't mean the country is run by Religion , But it's established to be a country for Jews . If not , Why was it established ? Why didn't the Jews just fit in and live in Europe Normally ? If Israel wasn't established on Palestinian lands , Arabs wouldn't expel them out . I already mentioned to you that Jews in Arab countries HAD NO BELONGING to the arab countries and favored Israel . That'd weaken the Arab side my dear .

Muslim's case is different , We didn't take any of your lands . I gave you an example and I hope you answer it :

here are around 2-4 Million Muslims in The USA , What if they decide to take New York and make it a separate country for Muslims in the US with a separate government and army and allow Muslims from any country to immigrate to it and take the nationality , And then when it becomes over populated we invade other parts of your country to take another state . How would that idea sound to you ? This is nearly the same to what Israel had done .

If we do so , And Muslims in the US support them , then I'd agree about expelling them out in the same way we did to Jews .

Well , yeah I shouldn't go into a debate with an ignorant because Egypt is Based on Tourism , We have more than 12 Million Tourists yearly according to what I heard on TV . You can ask anybody who visited Egypt how nice was he treated or so .

Yeah , Here in Egypt . If I insulted a Tourist ( Out of Racism ) , I'd get into prison . I don't know much about other countries , There are also Defamation and Insult Laws here in Egypt. Well Your country ( The USA ) has Very Very bad records with racism in the 19th and the early 20th Century , So no surprise to see you defending racists .

Why have you avoided the Bahr el Baqr incident in my previous posts ?

Well , I was actually using that as a proof that Israel isn't secular . And you got me to my point , Thanks . What does Jordan , Egypt , Syria or Libya have to do with the question I asked ? , Suppose that they are racist , Does this give Israel the right to be racist ?

What you want to say in another words is " yes , Israel is a racist based country that was established for specific people But Arab countries are also racist" , Although I don't agree with the whole sentence but I'd like to ask you , Why do you support it then if it's racist ? Again , Isn't Israel meant to be a country established for Jews ? If not why was it established .

 

I'll take that as an acknowledgement that have no example of any country where racism is illegal. Not one. If that makes the residents of every country on the planet uncivilized by your definition, so be it. Its your definition.

I agree with every other nation on the planet, other than the Arab states, that Israel exists, and has a right to keep existing. You have your extreme minority opinion to the contrary, but frankly most of the rest of the planet could not care less.

LoL. Are you aware "Jew" is an ethnicity as well as a religion? Are you aware that most of the most educated Jews living in Israel are atheists? How are you sooooooo out of touch with reality? If you are opposed to countries established for a given ethnicity, why no complaints about the UAE?

What is the sound of one hand clapping? Why do Arabs beat their wives? Why does the average Arab have the education of a 6 year old child raised in the US? Why do the majority of terrorists on the planet claim to be Muslims? Deep questions, to which there are definitely answers, none of which you would acknowledge or understand.

And anything that weakens an Arab in favor of a Jew justifies persecution of those Jews. By the way, the Jews living in all those Arab lands most definitely "had belongings". They had property, homes, money in banks etc. Your wonderful people had no problem taking(stealing) those belongings from them before forcing them to flee those countries for their lives.

There you go bringing Islam up again. I am talking about Arabs, not Islam. There are millions of Muslims on this planet, including myself, who are perfectly capable of coexisting with Jews, and every other ethnicity in peace. If you are trying to claim Arabs have never stolen anyone else's land, you need to visit the history books. You can look at the theft of land owned by people of Jewish descent, or you can look under "K' for Kurd.

Again, talking about Arabs not Muslims, you are saying we should have persecuted all the Arabs in the US when Iraq invaded Kuwait, then stole their land and possessions, and ejected them from the country. Got ya. Hell, by that reasoning, we should have been torturing Russians during the cold war, Vietnamese during the Vietnam war, Koreans during the Korean war, Japanese during WWII. I'm with you man. We are right now at war people who are 99% Arabs. So you are saying let the torture, theft, and ejection from the country begin! Right on man!

So in the spirit of ignorance, how do you think tourism is going to go in Egypt if you guys start calling for an end to the "illegal state of Israel". Consider it an IQ test.

Pure comedy. The only people I've ever heard talk up draconian anti-free speech laws come from your part of the world.

No, but focusing on Israel's race problems over Egypt's race problems would be like a doctor treating a patient for a scrape on his knee while he is bleeding profusely from his neck. You guys still have anti-heresy free speech laws, and are decades away from any of that changing, if it ever does change. If you used half the time you spent bitching about Israel's problems focused on fixing your own problems, Egypt might be a place a normal person would like to live. Looking at your attitude, I'd say Egypt is getting worse, not better, and for an economy based on tourism, that should be something that concerns you personally.

 

So Racism is a speech in your definition . I see you are a guy who agrees with Racism . So it's okay by your definition if a tourist comes and I tell him " Go away you are black , out of our country " This is considered Speech by your definition . Seriously you need to see a psychologist asap !

This made my day ! Nice Joke , really I kept laughing for like 27 seconds . Well this proves that you know nothing about the Arab World . Yeah , I'm writing this post from my tent , I have 3 Camels and I get a new one every year whenever a new camel model is out , I have a used Camel for sale , do you want to buy it ? . Dude , If you really believe that the average Arab have the education of a 6 year old child , then it's you who have the education of a 6 year old child . To your surprise , I'm 17 years old only and I make around 2500 dollars online which is more than most of your population who are at my age and I'm Arab , I'm Egyptian and I'm Muslim . Education here in Egypt is Free of charges , though free education is bad . I received education in an international school , We can take SAT , IGCSE or whatever . As long as you can pay , You can get quality education and similar to that you get in the US . I'm going for Engineering college next year BTW .

If they invaded your country , Occupied some of the states and expelled original citizens out , then yeah you can do that . I also think you didn't read the whole post I wrote , I already mentioned conditions .

Well dear , It'd surprise you to tell you that My Grandmother was a Jew before she converted to Islam , I'm not against Jews for being Jewish , I'm against Zionism and establishment of a country for a specific religion or ethnicity . I'm surprised on the way you call yourself a Muslim . Do you believe in Islam ? If not then you are not Muslim , Simple as that

Well it seems that you already made up your mind and you don't want to think , This makes no point in this debate .

 

Whats the penalty for saying, "I hate jews" in your country?

No surprise there.

You are definitely not going to want to measure dicks with me on this topic, though I will say this. At 2500$ (a month?), you are definitely earning more than the vast majority of your fellow arabs of any age in the Middle east.

/chuckle. You can get a quality primary and secondary education almost anywhere on the planet if you have money. What you are leaving out is that 99% of the Arab world in the middle east doesn't have the money, which means most are extremely uneducated.

So the jews in Syria invaded Syria and deserved to be persecuted and thrown out? The Jews in Libya invaded Libya and deserved to be thrown out? The Jews in Egypt invaded Egypt and deserved to be thrown out?

That isn't the case, is it. The arabs in the middle east basically said, the Jews in Palestine did something we don't like, and you are Jewish, so we are going to kill, persecute, and steal from you, and throw you out of our country.

There you go talking about religion again. Talking about Ethncity, as an Arab, you are practically still Jewish.

Great! Then campaign your fellow ARabs to permit people of jewish descent back into their countries!

Let me guess. This is you demonstrating your education?

Ok College boy. Lets see if you got the skilz, since you were too scared to answer my previous IQ question.


Question 1:
Which number is greater, 71.4 or 95.4?

Question 2:
Can a society that imprisons people for expressing an opinion about religion be considered secular?

Question 3:
If a black person killed your brother, would it you be justified in killing some other unrelated black person 20 years later?

Question 4:
Which number is smaller, 200 or 1,571,000



I've provided the answers you will need below, since you have already been given this test throughout this topic and failed miserably.




Answer 1:
95.4 is greater than 71.4. 95.4 is the perecentage of Israelis over age 15 (Arab and Jew), that are literate(can read and write), vs 71.4% in Egypt, and much lower rates throughou the middle east.

Answer 2:
No, a society that criminalizes expressions of relgious beliefs cannot be considered secular. Welcome to Egypt.

Answer 3:
Abusing a person of an ethnicity based on preceived greivances against another unrelated person of the same ethnicity is called racism. This is the very behavior being exhibited throughout Arab lands that you justify, which makes you a racist. No surprise there.


Answer 4:
1,571,000, the number of Arabs living in Israel, is greater than 200, the number of Jews living in Egypt. I wouldn't say the Arabs always get equal treatment in Israel, but based on the numbers, they don't face anywhere near the persecution the Jews have in Egypt. But then again, we already established that egypt is filled with racists, haven't we?

 

Easy and simple: It is not my fault to be born on a country that my parents didn't. So, by natural laws, I am from a country and my parents from another. So It doesn't give rights to anyone to displace me from where I was born.

At the end... we all are from the same country... "earth"

~Mike

 

Same as the penalty of saying "I hate Muslims " in your country .

Yes , A month . Although it's not always $2500 , Sometimes a bit more and sometimes a bit less as I work in CPA niches so it's not constant.

Funny , Link me to the source where it says 99% . There are many Arab countries that are rich in petroleum like Qatar for example . Look at the Average salaries in Qatar .


Nope 71.4% of 85 Million is Greater than 95% of 7.5 Million . If Israel had a population of 85 Million I think that percentage would drop . Conclusion : There's no way to compare between a TINY country and a Big country like Egypt using percentages . Like I can't compare Qatar to Egypt because Qatar is very tiny .

Yeah , But the question is how many Arabs were living in Israel ( The occupied lands ) before it was established ?

 

There is no penalty for saying "I hate [Muslims/Jews/Blacks/Whites/Chinese/Indian/fillin the blank]" in the US. So racism is legal, both in the US, and in Egypt. Thanks for conceding the point.

So you are trying to use an oil rich nation with a population of 1.5 million people as representative of the condition across the Arab run middle east?

Terrific! Can't compare your literacy rate with Israel because of Israel's small size. How bout the US at 99%? I'm sure you don't like that comparisson. Here, take your pick of the other 148 out of 178 countries that have you beat in this area. I'm sure at least one or two of them is approximately your size. Which one would you like to compare? Georgia, Cuba, Estonia, Latvia, Barbados, Slovenia, Belarus, Lithuania, Ukraine, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Russia, Hungary, Kyrgyzstan, Poland, Tonga, Albania, Antigua, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, North Korea, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Guyana, Iceland, Ireland, Japan, South Korea, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Slovakia, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, United States, Italy, Samoa, Trinidad, Croatia, Bulgaria, Spain, Uruguay, Saint Kitts, Cyprus, Romania, Argentina, Mongolia, Israel, Greece, Maldives, Macedonia, Uzbekistan, Bosnia, Chile, Serbia, Grenada, China, Costa Rica, Bahamas, Venezuela, Brunei, Portugal, Hong Kong, Paraguay, Kuwait, Singapore, Fiji, Thailand, Panama, Philippines, Palestinian, Qatar, Mexico, Colombia, Malta, Indonesia, Malaysia, Seychelles, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, Bolivia, Suriname, Vietnam, Brazil, Myanmar, Peru, Lebanon, Dominican, Bahrain, Turkey, Saint, Dominica, Namibia, South, Sao, Mauritius, Equatorial, Libya, Gabon, Jamaica, Saudi, Cape, Honduras, Botswana, Lesotho, Swaziland, Vanuatu, Tunisia, Nicaragua, Solomon Islands, Cambodia, Algeria, Belize, Comoros, India, Kenya, Uganda, Guatemala, Tanzania, Nigeria, Malawi, Madagascar, Zambia, Djibouti, Laos, Cameroon, Angola, or Congo?
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In Israel, orthe occupied lands? Do you understand the difference? The answer is 1 million(Irael) and 1.3 million(Israel West bank, and Gaza Strip). In otherwords, the Arab citizen population of Israel has grown by half a million people while the Jewish population in practically every last Arab nation has been decimated.

I can see you are still struggling to get your head around these numbers. As an engineering student, you are going to have a hard time getting a passing grade by denying the stark picture they paint.

 

all religious teaching is true, only for one purpose is to the right path. there is no religion that is misleading.

 

Probably somewhat off-topic but returning the USA back to the Native Americans will please all those DP members that have adopted a "native" attitude always requesting Native Americans to write their articles or do any other job at the B/S/T section.

 

There are many (most of them, in fact) countries that do not give citizenship by birth, so yes they have a full right to send you to any country that will agree to take you or keep you locked up until such appears.

There is no country with such name, Mike.

 

Now that is indeed interesting. The US is one of only 33 countries that grant birthright citizenship. Apparently most of the EU will not grant you citizenship by birth. Something to consider when evaluating all the new laws being proposed in the US.

No wonder Gaza looks a bit like a prison. Nobody will take them....

 

I really don't get the point here about Palestine wanting it's "land" back. It is NOT Palestine land:

1 The Jews were there since probably day one.
2. The 6 day war where it lost lands to the Jews.

In the 21st century we still live in the Conquer or be Conquered. The land was lost in a war, the Jews was nice enough to give some of those land back to the Palestinians, if I was the head of Israel I would have sent all of Palestine to Jordan, Egypt, Syria and all of those other Arab countries by force.

The Palestinian must GET over with it, there is no such thing as illegal occupation, if there was such a thing then countries like Great Britain (and many other countries) would be illegal as well since the Romans and a bunch of other tribes occupied it through times.

What this is all about is political that the Arabs use to get back at the Jews, they are using those brainless Palestinians, I'm amaze that the Jews cannot get the world community to understand their plight.

If Israel was in fact illegally settling in a Palestinian land, then what are the Palestinian going to do about it?

STOP WHINING and fight Israel for the land, try to take it back, mean while, SHUT YOUR PALESTINIAN A-HOLE.

I'm tired of seeing this in the news, just get it over with it, War with Israel and see if what would become of your people. If you ain't got the guts to fight, shut the *uck up.

 

Australia too does not give automatic birthright to its citizens, although that law is fairly recent, brought about by some prince stealing his kids from here. It causes many problems when trying to get a passport as two or three times the previous documentation is now required. Personally, I think it's criminal that the 10 million without passports have to fuck-around so much more because THREE kids were taken from their mother (Gillespie).

 

@Obamanation ,
Sorry That I haven't replied to this for long , I was having some exams and haven't had the time to waste . But let me reply to what you said :

"There is no penalty for saying "I hate [Muslims/Jews/Blacks/Whites/Chinese/Indian/fillin the blank]" in the US. So racism is legal, both in the US, and in Egypt. Thanks for conceding the point. " Wrong , Racism isn't legal here , Saying I hate Jews or I hate whoever isn't Very Racist , It's racist but as long as he didn't attack another person with racial insults then he is fine with the laws , whether you hate Jews or whoever it's your personal freedom . BUT ATTACKING PEOPLE even if Jewish terrorists - ah I mean tourists - here in Egypt by insulting them , It would get you into problems with The Tourism Police .

Agree , But You still didn't understand my point . My point was your "99% " estimation is wrong because Many Arab Countries are rich . Qatar might be a silly example , what about Saudia Arabia ( With Respect to money ) ?

Who cares ? Well the US is much bigger in size so you can't compare it with us . Every country has its own conditions , You can't compare . You are maybe right that Illiteracy is a kind of problem here , Though I have never seen an illiterate here in Egypt except one guy till now .


The debate with you is useless , But I use it to enjoy my time . You still haven't answered any of my questions ! Yes .

AGAIN :

Do you agree or not ? Answer is by Yes or no and then state the reason . Don't play smart and just comment about the question like you do everytime .

 

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A Pure Barbaric Person (PBP) . Commenting on this would be like commenting on a comment of a 5 year old child who thinks Wars are a solution . Wars have never been a solution my dear . But let's suppose that I agree with what you are saying . Suppose that we got into a war with them and we won , Is it okay to make another Holocaust for Jews as we won ?

And what the F**K Does Egypt or any other country have to do with the Palestinians ? Okay good , I have to give you an example that a 5 year old kid can understand : "There are around 2-4 Million Muslims in The USA , What if they decide to take New York and make it a separate country for Muslims in the US with a separate government and army and allow Muslims from any country to immigrate to it and take the nationality , And then when it becomes over populated we invade other parts of your country to take another state , And then take over all America and send the Americans to Canada or Mexico " Do you agree ? Why not ?

You sound very civilized , May I ask you , Where do you come from and have you received any kind of education or not ?

Funny . When was day one ? Jews were immigrants to Jerusalem 3000 years ago , Ancestors of Arabs were living there before that . Jews have lived with Arabs there for many centuries , But does this give The Jews of our time the permission to conquer a country because some of their ancestors lived there ? This is Pure Stupidity if you agree .

Thank you for admitting that Israel is a country for Jews , Your friend Obamanation refused to do that , And been trying to convince him , I think you can get along easily with him so try to explain to him that " Israel is a Jewish state ( For Jews ) "

 

You must be anti-semetic.