Shouldn't America be returned back to the Native Americans ( Red Indians ) ?

@bogart , LOL . Good that you haven't said that Hitler himself was a Muslim .

To make my sentence above clear , as I'm sure there are many idiots here who will think that I'm claiming that Hitler was Muslim , I'm not saying that . I'm saying You are trying to blame Islam for Non-Muslim terrorists ( Hitler ) . But in-fact Hitler was Christian , So face it !

Well I don't know the whole real story Mufti of Jerusalem so I can't talk about it , But generally Nazis found an ally in Arabs because they were fighting the English occupation and Nazis were fighting against England too . But Nazis were racist against Arabs , they were never real allies . But "Found an ally " here means that they have the same enemy (The British ) although they didn't like each other.

 

You are probably not familiar with the concept of "Moral High Ground", but it boils down to, "Don't be a hypocrite". In other words, when you make statements like:

To have anyone take you seriously, you need to be part of a society that has a better track record on secularism. Your complaints and advice sound a bit like the KKK giving the LA police criticism for their treatment of black people. Your like the 300lb guy who hasn't gotten out of his Lazy boy recliner in 5 years, complaining to his 180lb wife that the twinkies are making her fat. Your like the guy with five illegitimate kids conceived by three women who are not your wife, preaching to other people the joys of monogamy.

I could go on, but I think most people with a few brain cells to rub together have gotten the point by now. So, in answer to your question, yes I realize your post was about Israel. You could have also made your post about the US, Germany, England, Sweeden, etc, since no country has a perfect track record on racial issues. Egypt's overt and state sponsored discrimination may not be an excuse for anyone else to have discriminatory policies, but it certainly removes your ability to complain about them and have anyone care. On the bright side, Egypt is perhaps the most secular state in the area(outside of Israel), so maybe in a decade, with a lot of work, you will have earned a right to b*tch.

 

THE PICTURES DON"T LIE:

The founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, also called Muslim Brethren (Arabic: جمعية الأخوان ال), al-Banna, was a devout admirer of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.

In his memoirs, Grand Mufti al-Husayni (el-Husseini El Mufti) wrote :”Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Nazi Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world.” Grand Mufti al-Husayni asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of the Jews. The answer Grand Mufti al-Husayni got was, “ The Jews are yours.” . (Dershowitz, The Case for Israel p.55)



Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Amin Al Husseini had plans for construction of a concentration camp in Nablus (Palestine) to implement the “final solution” to exterminate the Jews there as an extension of Hitler’s plan in death camps like Aushwitz.

 

@bogart , I told you already I don't have authentic information about that Mufti so I can't confirm or deny but if your point is "Muslims are who began" which is absolutely wrong , May you please justify Belfor's promise in 1917 ?

@Obamanation , You are trying as hard as you can to change the topic's point because you lost the debate . Well Arab countries like UAE which you are criticizing are much less racist than Israel , I told you many times I'm not criticizing countries for having a dominant population from a certain ethnicity or Religion , I'm criticizing ESTABLISHING COUNTRIES for people from a certain religion . Arab countries are much less racist than Israel BTW but they aren't my point in this topic so don't play smart with me because you are not going to change the topic's point . You haven't answered my questions yet , I'm waiting to hear your answer .

Here's a video example of the racism I mean : http://www.safeshare.tv/v/M539PgDjbas

"God gave us the land " May you illustrate this one ? How do you claim that Israel is secular when Jews themselves believe it is not . Stop your Hypocrisy !!

 

Your answer came weeks ago but you aren't listening. If you are going to ignore the answer which is backed by facts, and just keep on repeating ridiculous opinions like the one in this quote, this conversation isn't going to go anywhere. Here it is for you again:

I left out the litany of anti-secular laws in Egypt for brevity, but the link to my complete post is in the quote. If you like, I can keep it in the cut and paste buffer for when you make the same ridiculous claim again in about 5 posts.

Oh, and congrats me on "losing" the argument. Its a bit like how Israel lost the 1967 war, or how they are constantly losing to Hamas. Why is it that Arabs are taught to believe defeat is victory and victory is defeat? Very strange.

 

@Obamanation ,

Thanks dude , your post confirms again your inability to respond to my "ridiculous" questions about Israel , Whenever I ask you a question about Israel , you tell me look at UAE or Look at Egypt or look at blah blah . Dude I'm asking particular questions about a Particular country but you aren't responding to them , I didn't defend or attack other countries in my topic just not to change what the topic is or atleast I didn't go too much in talking about other countries . When I make a topic about those countries , We can discuss it there , Answer my questions first then we can talk about other countries .

Where is the part that I claimed that we won 1967 war ? LOL , Are you imagining comments that are not there ? Oh! dude you seriously need help .

Dude come on , You lost the debate . Let's look at ONE single example of the questions you failed to answer :

I cut the parts - in the quotation - where I was responding to your posts to make the Questions clear to you incase you didn't see them or had bad eye sight .

Your answer to those questions was :

Dude if you can't reply to a question then simply say "you are right" , I can't see the answer to my questions in your response , Maybe am I having bad eye sight ? . It's not a bad thing to admit that you were mistaken . Why don't you answer my "ridiculous" questions then If I'm not right at my points ? Why do you keep trying to change the debate's topic by speaking about other Arab Countries ? It's because you don't have any Logical answer to my questions .

 

What do you think of this video ? - to all not to obamanation only -

[video=youtube;NELbNcg3NCw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NELbNcg3NCw[/video]

 

jews are by far the biggest racists in the world...I was on vacation in eliat and there were some people that literally would not talk to me...at times I felt the only normal guys, apart from some tourists, were the police...after the wars in my country I thought id never see such racism again but I stand corrected...there is so much wrong with israel that its silly to debate...

and ignore obamanation he is the king of side tracking a debate... his point of view is impossible to defend so he will resort to:

1) "show me proof" where "proof" is only what he says and nothing else...if your "proof" is not an american or US buttkisser source he will immediately disqualify it...

2) he will sidetrack with shit like "how about country x or y this makes what the USA did completely ok"

3) when all things fail he will resort to making shit up like "did you kill all your school teachers because they were the wrong ethnicity"

you cant get a st8 answer from this guy...i use him for personal entertainment...throw him a bone and watch him squirm around it ...yo obamanation i asked you a question like 5 times in the other thread and you , of course, did not answer LOL...just reminding you

 

LOL .. Obamanation is lunatic, I gave up on this guy a long time ago.

 

Belfor's promise in 1917 was a ratification of facts already of the ground.

The indigenous pre-Zionist Jewish community was massacred during Muhammad Ali of Egypt's occupation in 1834. In 1844, Jews constituted the largest population group in Jerusalem and by 1890 an absolute majority in the city.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

 

All the fanatics care is the history that suits them . They will ignore millenniums of history , look over the historical mass graves and exterminations they undertook and keep yelling that they are right and you are wrong . They will call you stupid when their IQ is the pits , they'll call you a terrorist for giving them food and money , they'll call you imperialist oppressor for defending yourself , they'll say your decadent while they have an orgy and they'll call you a racist if you try to make a comparison between them and you .

I sometimes believe that the only reasoning they can comprehend is the one that comes from the barrel of a gun .

 

I agree
I have been insulted by a rabbi just because I was not jewish. It happened in an airport in Paris. I was waiting my flight to the US and they were waiting the flight to Tel-Aviv in the gate next door.
Also, I have been politely told that I was not welcome in Tennessee because I wasn't from there, but not really insulted there.
I'm white-caucasian, atheist and speak english with an accent.

 

@bogart: Elberengy doesn't have the first clue what Balfor is, and were you to show him, he wouldn't process it. The man refers to Arab states as "secular".

So much love. I'm not sure whether to send you three a cry towel or a blow up doll. Reading material is obviously right out. Maybe you can start up a little mutual support group....

 

I didn't say Arab states are secular , Where did I say that ? what I said is that Israel is a country which is established based on Racism and established for a specific group of people . You can't compare that to Arab countries because they aren't in the same case here , If a country has a dominant Muslim population then this doesn't mean it's racist my dear , I'm not criticizing having a dominant population from a specific religion or ethnicity but I'm criticizing establishing countries for people from a specific religion or ethnicity . Your country has a dominant Christian population but this doesn't mean it's racist . Arab systems aren't perfect and there have been many revolutions in the area against corrupt regimes , But this doesn't give the right to Zionists to establish a country for Jews by taking other people's lands just because there ancestors lived there together with Arabs . I gave you many examples , Mainly the one regarding New York which would be a similar case to Israel's but you haven't replied to it .

Just to quote what I said regarding Arab Countries :

You could just look at the video I embedded , Why didn't the police guy capture those guys for Racism ? or Isn't Racism a crime ?

 

in a country where the special police and military are more moderate than some of the population you know something is seriously wrong...the double standard is huge in israel...maybe even more than in the USA

 

You are right, having a dominant ethnicity or religion is not what makes a nation racist. What makes a nation racist is how it treats it's minority population. Lets look at some examples from your "non-racist" arab states.

LoL. Saying Arab systems aren't perfect is like saying the Pope isn't Jewish. Looking at the track record of Arabs across practically every country they dominate, I think its safe to say they qualify as some of the most backward, uneducated, racist societies on the face of earth today. Its comic to hear you complain about the theft of land while you remain silent about the plight of the Kurds at the hands of the Arabs in Iraq. Is it that you are only concerned if you feel it is an Arab being robbed, or is your concern more focused on the idea that the person doing the "robbing" is a Jew. Given the historical plight of Jews in Arab lands, I think we all know the answer to that question.

 

Is the problem within the older generation in Israel? What I trying to say is do you know if the younger generation believes in that double standard, or in the contrary, believes in a more pacific way to live?
The video shows older rabbis...

 

@Obamanation , No surprise about those statistics because it's a result to what Israel had done by occupying the lands and killing of innocents . What were you expecting ? This is not racism . Arab countries were in War with Israel , Jews inside Arab countries didn't have any belonging to Arab Countries and they supported Israel which would weaken the Arab side . If Arab countries were "Racist" they could have done another Holocaust . Although I'm against the killing of civilians but I think Israel has done more than that already , And as long as those civilians support the invasion of lands of innocents and don't have a stand against it , then they deserve the punishment of leaving the country .

I think that you are a guy who likes statistics alot , What about Bahr el-Baqar School incident ?

"Of the 130 school children who attended the school, 46 were killed, and over 50 wounded, many of them maimed for life. The school itself was completely demolished "

Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_el-Baqar_incident

What did those kids do to be killed ? What sin did they commit to be disabled for life ?

How many Palestinians became Homeless since the Israeli invasion ?
How many Palestinians died and how many Israelis died ?


Also you haven't answered my question regarding the video I embedded . Why didn't the police guy capture those guys for Racism ? or Isn't Racism a crime ?

Thanks !

 

Right. So long as they didn't commit outright genocide against the Jews, it wasn't racist. Confiscate their land, no problem. Eject them from the country, no problem. Discriminate against them legally, and kill a few hundred of them, no problem.

So what are you complaining about Israel for? By your definition, they are not in racist in the slightest? If they were racist, they would perform a holocaust style extermination of Arabs living in Israel.

Nice double standard by the way.

More importantly, how many Arabs and Muslims live in Israel? By your definition, the Israelis would have been justified in killing some, and ejecting the rest from the country. Clearly this is not the case, while it most certainly is the case in every Arab country.

How do you explain such blatant and state sponsored racism within your own country, and every other Arab state? What plans do you have to reduce the levels of racism in Egypt dramatically, perhaps down to the level that exists in Israel for example?

I cant think of a single country where racism is a crime. Can you? Every country has racists, and in some countries(most Arab countries), racism is practiced by the government itself.

It leaves us watching videos like yours and saying, "the racism displayed in that video is horrible, but not nearly as bad as that demonstrated by the Arabs in Egypt". In that spirit, let me thank you for starting this thread and putting a light on how bad racism really is in Egypt, one of the most moderate and secular of Arab nations. I think if more Americans knew of the true state of affairs in Egypt, they would be petitioning their congressment to end the massive aid payments we make to your uncivil society.

 

@Obamanation , I thought "How many " should be answered by numbers not by responding to another question that didn't exist .

You agree that racism isn't a crime , and yet you call yourself civilized . You agree with establishing countries for people from specific ethnicity or religion and yet you consider yourself secular . Which one of us is a hypocrite ? Which one tries to side the debate to Another Countries ?

Egypt is far more less racist than Israel my dear . I already justified why Jews were pushed out of Arab countries and I think it's a right decision though I don't support killing of civilians . Well it's Israel who started by pushing Palestinians out of there homes and still does and builds settlements , So you have no clue my dear .

Do you agree with the illegal building of settlements on the Palestinian territory ?

If Israel isn't racist at all as you claim , Can the Prime Minister of Israel be a Muslim ? I'm not talking about laws , I'm talking logically . The answer is No . Because the population will not elect him because of not being Jewish . This is a one small proof that Israel isn't a secular state as you claim .

I told you many many times , Arab states aren't perfect , My debate isn't about them , don't side the debate . Changing the debate's topic means you have no Justification .

Thanks !