Should parents be banned from teaching religion to their children?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Seqqa, Sep 10, 2010.

  1. Smith15

    Smith15 Guest

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    #21
    I'd like to add one more thing here agreeing with laxman363.
    You hate the fact that parents teach religion to their children right?
    Parents don't usually FORCE their children to accept a religion, because in normality, children simply believe what they are told, they don't object. You don't expect a kid 4-7 years old to question something he is being taught that is super natural. when they can believe in superman/batman/spider man, then they simply embrace their parent's religion.........this was to prove that parents don't really force their children.
    Now, what they are being forced to is to study..children at an early age don't want to go to school, they want to sleep. They don't want to do the hw, they want to play. They don't want to healthy food they want junk food. But in 99% of the caes, they are literally FORCED to do what they don't want to, that is - go to school, study, do h/w, eat healthy food.
    So are you against that too? Now what? You call of these above mentioned things as CHILD ABUSE?
    NONSENSE!
    they say, "think twice before you speak" ... You better start acting on it.
     
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  2. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #22
    It would be extremely naive to think that some parents do not beat their children due to religious motives. Haven't you heard of the ol' christian "rod of correction".
     
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  3. alexispetrov

    alexispetrov Peon

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    #23
    Brum has a good point.

    There's also the fact that many kids end up getting hit for not learning the Qu'ran properly. (I actually knew a few kids this happened to in high school; the fact it happens outside hugely religious communities is a bit alarming.)
     
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  4. Smith15

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    #24
    and it would be even naive-er to judge the entire parents in this world as 'those' and label them as muslims.
    Infact these days the youth is more and more drfting away from islam, that clearly means there is no 'beating' or coercion.


    why don't you mention about christians being beaten too? and the 'rod of correction'
    Infact...these days, every other church is accused of Child Molestation! atleast the Mosques are free of those accusations...SHAME ON YOU!
     
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  5. alexispetrov

    alexispetrov Peon

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    #25
    I mention the Muslims I went to school with because although children of every religion and culture can be victims of abuse, I have only known four who were abused directly because of their religion, three of them were Muslims, another was a Jehovah's Witness - although that had more to do with her mother being mentally unstable than religious I suspect, but there you go.

    Also, what the fuck is wrong is with you? Mosques might be free of those accusations, but you have Muslims marrying INFANTS. Get your head around that for a second. In May this year a 25 year old muslim man married a six MONTH old INFANT.

    In Islam, maybe mosques aren't accused of child abuse - but all the sick shit going on with adults marrying kids and babies, it's fucked up. I mean, we need to wipe out every person who is a part of this culture where marrying children is OK.

    Your posts here lately are laughable, and I'm not the only one to point this out to you, I know - but really kid, learn a bit more about what is being discussed before opening your mouth. It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove any doubt.
     
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  6. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #26
    Pick a few cases like these (which are exceptions, not the norm) and you take the opportunity to smear a whole civilisation for the acts of a few with your Islamophobia. You might want to check that Catholic church in your area first before poking your nose into Muslim nations.
     
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    #27
    not really. parents are responsible for their children as always.
     
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  8. laxman363

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    #28
    I agree with that
     
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  9. Smith15

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    #29

    All im trying to say is if you're gnna be accusing Islam, first look at your own religion. where other father is a child molester. All the kids are fucking giving blowjobs to the fathers. All you religious scholars SICK! fucking perverts molesting children...and they say Islam is the evil one....bullshit
    they're a saying "when your house is made up of Glass, you should not throw stones at others'"
    and if you r gnna judge Islam and its teaching according to that one man who married the 6 month old infant, I can judge your religion based on Joseph the Austiran kidnapper. So does Christianity teach you kidnap your daughter, have sex with her, force her to be half naked and have sexual intercourse with her? DANG
    if you find my posts laughable, then that probably means you don't have an IQ high enough to match mine.
     
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  10. Smith15

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  11. Vebtools

    Vebtools Well-Known Member

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    #31

    May be this will help you to understand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage

    and plz also read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage its not happening in Saudi Arab only but also around the world
     
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  12. alexispetrov

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    #32
    Awins - I've stated numerous times that I don't support Catholicism either - if you want to start a thread about abuse within the church I'd be more than happy to discuss that there. I find it sickening that this has been allowed to happen and as I've said before, I detest religion in general. That said, I am relieved that the Catholic church is starting to face this rather than simply denying it happens - which sadly does seem to happen frequently in muslim countries when children get married. The problem must be acknowledged so that these kids don't get abused.

    Smith15 - Your posts are generally way off, as we all witnessed in the 12 year old girl/divorce thread. You keep talking about my religion. "You should look at your own religion! Look at this Wikipedia page about Catholics!" - as you seem to have missed it (multiple times) let me state this once more, clearly, for you, so that there can be no more confusion on your part. I am NOT religious. Get it? I don't give a flying fuck if you want to insult religion, or what you have falsely imagined is MY religion.

    As to laughing at your posts - I laugh because they're typically just awfully written. Like trying to make a connection between Joseph Fritzl an Austrian kidnapper, who was a Catholic and myself, who is an Australian (kind of) Atheist. Where's the link, exactly? I suspect it might be you who has the problem "matching posts", as you put it.

    Vebtools - Most people, Muslim or not, believe that Aisha was 6 or 7 years old. This includes many Muslim scholars - but you know that, of course. Some people do claim, now, that she was 13 or 14 - this would still be sickening and wrong. Either way, we aren't talking about Aisha in this thread, at least not that I was aware of.

    I should also note that any time child marriage happens, I am just as disgusted about it. I condemn those who support it and allow it, even if they are only allowing it by not acting appropriately to stop it.

    Child marriage is still far too common in Islam - no, I don't think all Muslims support it - but enough do that not enough is being done to eradicate it.

    Even if they don't support it, they don't do enough to stop it. Do you remember the recent article discussed here from a Saudi newspaper, written by a Muslim, that said child abuse is a big problem within Islam because people rarely talk about it due to the shame, etc. and that it was time to speak up? That is what needs to happen with child abuse, including child marriages.
     
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  13. laxman363

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  14. ApocalypseXL

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    #34
    Muslim nation's adults are so fucked up that it's next to impossible to learn much about the children , so search your garden before someone blows it up . If you're defending your faith counterattack just makes you look more suspicious .

    As for the stupidity of the OP :
    No one will ever be ever to dictate how a parent will raise his child .
    How is not teaching a child a religion not an abuse ? There is no line to separate the stupidity of religious extremism from the stupidity of anti-theism . Will you raise your child to be a heretic/infidel hater or a theist hater ?
     
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  15. alexispetrov

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    #35
    Thank you! You've only been here 4 odd months and you know more than smith15 who has been here a year >.<'
     
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  16. Smith15

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    #36
    I started visiting the 'Religion' threads and forums not more than two weeks back. (Check my posts if you don't believe me)
    And, once again, if you're an atheist, you still would go against Islam than Catholics...that's blasphemy
    not Believing in God is different than believing in the false stuff and accusing Islam
     
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  17. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #37
    I've not forced any religion on my child, nor have I taken him to church. Yet he knows who God is, believes in him and Christ and knows what Heaven and Hell are. Go figure. Kinda blows away my previous theory that the deity is learned.
     
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    #38
    May i kindly suggest that you are posting bull ? You don't weight your words and expect to be taken seriously ?

    And why not accuse Islam ? It will get sick and call in mommy is it is accused ? Islam can be considered a plague of the new millennium simply because it seems to mass produce extremists and idiots . Cleaning the name of Islam will take 50 more years and that will happen only if the number of extremist drop . Right now the word Islam stands for : religion , terror , massacre , war , invaders and idiots .
     
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    #39
    Stop it, I am not a religious person, but its not child abuse to teach them about religion. Just like a father teaches his kids to fish, or whats right from wrong Religion is no different. Also fear is a good thing, if kids don't fear god, then they probably won't fear the law and other bad things...
     
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    #40
    Wipe the rabid foam from your mouth. I said some parents beat their children, not all. So what the hell are you talking about? I wasn't generalising anyone. Stop playing the minority card, I never even mentioned the word Muslim in my post, however I did mention christian.
     
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