Should Certain Countries be allowed Veto Power in UN?

so why do they let these 'joke' countries there at the UN ? they should be kicked out from such a 'civilized' organization like UNO

the question is not democracy, there are other democratic countries which don't have right to veto ?
why india, japan, germany don't have the veto power?

 

Really, you can't figure this one out on your own?

 

can you provide any sane reason for that ? other than your usual proudness and bigotry ?

are these countries any privileged than those having veto power ?

 

Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

Now ask yourself why the UN might not have allowed Germany and Japan a veto.

Can you figure it out yet?

Here:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=11832892&postcount=158

 

that was more than 50 years ago, we are talking of present day scenario

if you don't like the names of japan and Germany you can take others India, Canada, Belgium, Australia ..etc?

 

I think both of those countries have shown remarkable progress since their war mongering days and are both peaceful contributing members of the world community.

That being said, I see no reason why either should be given a veto in the UN. Do you have a good reason they should have a veto vote in the UN Security Council?

 

I see no reason for any country to have veto power, but since you support veto power for usa so their must be reason for that or a reason to deny others from having same?

why usa ? why not others?

 

This topic has nothing to do with certain countries having veto power. New's last sentence gives away her real pet peeve. It is all about the US having veto power. I doubt this thread would even exist if only China and Russia had veto power.

 

It is obvious that so many supporters of Islamic extremism hate America and have no interest in democracy, freedom, human rights. It is so transparent.

new for example, starts whole threads to call the United States a terrorist for saving the world in WWII, but then when asked about Germany or Japan's behavior says well that was over 50 years ago. The hypocrisy reveals him.

 

The organisation called United nation. It is not coalition of few countries. It is absurd having veto system. The only reason why the veto system exists , is to defend interests of 5 countries. How can other countries to say anything aginst interests of those 5 countries ?

 

No the United Nations exists to prevent another World War (maintain peace and security), not as a platform where every nation gets the exact same say. If you want an organization like that then go form one. This one exists to prevent another world war and by giving the US a veto helps that goal.

I see no such benefit giving the same to Germany and Japan.

 

And I dont see benefit giving it to a country which used Nukes. And which started other wars ( Afghanistan, Iraq)

 

That's okay. Not everyone has to agree.

 

Same applies to your view about Germany and Japan. Sorry, can you tell again, what is the purpose of veto system nowadays in UN ? Do you think someone will start a World War asking other countries ? Did US ask UN to attack ?

 

Correct, neither your personal view or my personal view have any significance. Luckily for me, I agree with the US having a veto - although I mainly find the UN to be a worthless organization.

Anyway, one only has to look at the UN groups where everyone has an equal say to see what an unmitigated disaster that would be.

 

Please read them all (if you have time) and tell me which one of the vetoed resolutions below stopped another WW . The list :

 

There has not been another world war.

In that sense the UN, with the US and others having a veto, has succeeded.

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Let me ask you a question. Assume the US had no veto. What actions would you expect to be different with Israel and the UN? There are already toothless, non-binding resolutions against Israel. So, without the US, would you want to see a UN military force do something? If so, what?

Let's not pussyfoot around. Please tell everyone exactly what you think should be happening in Israel if the US had no veto?

I am bringing up Israel since it is the subject of many US vetoes, and that is really the heart of the issue to you.

 

I can not tell what exactly would be different. If US was not against those resolutions, but helped UN, there should be differences now. Which differences I dont know. And yes , you are rigtht, it is heart of the issue for me. US vetoed about 28 resolutions against israel !

And about WW, there was not any resolution vetoed to prevent WW. ( Maybe I couldnt notice, if you did please show me too)

 

Well, this is a difference of opinion. I do believe the US actions and vetoes, even the ones dealing with Israel, have helped to maintain peace in the world.

You speak as though there is someone going to declare WWIII - and the US could somehow veto it. The reality is that small regional conflicts, like Israel-Palestine, could erupt into the next world war. In fact, I think if the US were not there at the UN, other states would have attacked Israel and Israel would probably have used its nuclear weapons to defend itself. So yes, I think the US has actively worked to prevent the break out of a new world war by keeping regional bias and religious hatred out of UN Security Council resolutions.

Almost every veto the US has made on Israel they have offered a detailed explanation for the veto. In nearly every case it was because the resolutions were biased in that they never condemned Islamic terrorist attacks on the State of Israel. The US has supported many even handed resolutions, but will not lend its voice to the unfair and biased criticism of Israel - and any resolution which ignores every states' right to self defense.

 

It is wierd way of stopping WW. By justifing israel killing civils. It is called defending the interests of israel . And in so called small regional conflict, died innocents, civils. In 9/11 , US losts civils, and it made a main reason to start a war against ghost enemies . they keep killing civils up today

It is useless to argue what US could do or not, but history shows it clearly that , US was trying to hide the war crimes of israel in past ( with help of veto system too ), and justified them .U.S. veto shield Israel from international criticism, censure and sanctions.