I actually agree with Gtech on this issue. I voted "no" because abortion is murder. You are taking the life of an unborn child. It is wrong and it is an easy way out for people that aren't responsible. Instead of being irresponsible and then aborting your unborn child when you have it, why don't people be responsible and use birth control? Anybody who supports abortion is an idiot. You're lucky your mothers didn't abort you, or you wouldn't be in this message board discussing it.............
You really are at war with the entire world buddy. Once again, what's your solution? What are you going to do about the mothers and fathers you forced to have children when they didn't want them? What are you going to do about all these kids and babies that don't have food or loving parents? What are you going to do about the all people who will neglect and abuse the children you forced them to have? And then what are you going to do when those children grow up and commit crimes at 10x higher percentages than kids who had loving parents? Just as usual, everyone wants to put their personal beliefs on others, but has no answer to the problems they create
If you'd watched TV at all in the 90's you would know that people don't have any kind of personal responsibility. If you'd seen the news at all in the last 20 years you'd know there's all kinds of neglected and abused children all over the United States. And if you had any ounce of common sense, you would also know that "outlawing" abortion isn't going to make these people any better parents or more responsible and loving parents. So what's your solution that is actually REAL? You don't have one do you. You'd force all these people to have children and then blame them (including those children) when they can't feed themselves or when they commit crimes It's textbook hypocrisy. You just said abortion is "slaughtering babies" and women shouldn't have that right...Then you said slaughtering babies (abortion) is ok. "If a woman is raped, she gets a free pass to slaughter babies." So what you have is no solution to the problems you want to create, and a load of BS hypocrisy where your morals get to pick and choose when abortion is ok. You're brilliant... you should have been a rocket scientist or something. What's your solution Gtech to the problems outlawing abortion creates? 1. Increased welfare (where are the tax dollars coming from?) 2. Increased home abortion 3. Increased child abuse, neglect, slavery, prostitution 4. Increased HS dropouts and less college grads (gotta raise babies instead) 5. Increased child abandonment
So if/when you get one of those escorts (prostitutes) pregnant what are you going to do? How are you going to explain to your child that it was nothing more than a mistake, and that his/her mother was a prostitute? Imagine what kind of self esteem that child will have... and don't forget you don't even know this prostitute. The mother of your child could likely be a drug addict, have STD's, take custody of your child and 50% of all the money you make for the next 18 years.... what a fun life you'll have
One need not watch TV to come to these conclusions. It's not a new phenomena that suddenly appeared during your brief lifetime. I need only look at your posts to understand the lack of responsibility for the one I directed it towards. Murdering babies because you are worried about your welfare check and are not responsible isn't a solution. Taking responsibilty for YOUR OWN actions is. Not at all. I clearly stated the extremes I would not be against. This contrasts considerably with your wholesale slaughtering of babies for welfare and lack of responsibility, as compared to your lack of support for the death penalty for those who would kill kids. I guess you are not prepared to deal with your hypocrisy. Considering you aren't even responsible enough for your own actions when it comes to getting women pregnant, I can see why. At least you won't have to explain to your kid why you murdered them. If you are ashamed of wholesale slaughtering of babies and ashamed of your lack of personal responsibility, you must change it from with inside yourself. I'm not creating problems. Once again, I point out your lack of personal responsibility. Instead of accepting responsibility for YOUR OWN actions, you stand prepared to blame others by suggesting THEY are creating the problems. Others are responsible, that you were stupid and got someone pregnant and lack personal responsibility to take care of your obligations. Others are responsible for your actions, so you choose wholesale slaughtering of babies. I guess some day, if you actually have a kid (that you don't murder), you can explain how lucky they are you chose to let them live. And if you get upset when you have to change their diaper, you can always smack them around a bit out of frustration you didn't murder them instead. Solution: Personal responsibility for one's actions. If you are worried about children dipping into your welfare benefits, you should think about that in the "heat of the moment." Maybe some day you'll grow up and stop blaming everyone else for YOUR problems.
First and foremost I've never taken welfare and don't need to by any means. I make more than most PHD's which is exactly why I can afford the luxury of posting here all day Second, I didn't choose for anyone to have an abortion. I let the woman make her own decision and it was best for both of us, and I'm not ashamed of anything. Third this isn't about me. It's about our country as a whole. If you actually believe outlawing abortion will make people have "personal responsibility" your such a fucking dipshit that we need not discuss anything further because you clearly lack the brain capacity to be rational.
lmao. Yeah, we need MORE people on earth. MORE people to be hungry. How many feas can earth handle before we suck her dry. Quick! Everyone go have babies, the human race is going to go die out! GO GO GO
Latehorn--- you and your Nazi tendencies are getting old. I was in your country last year. Its awesome. But nobody has a backbone. Go watch another WW2. You are A FACIST sir.
I was not aware that Ford Escorts were the preferred vehicle of choice for phd's. Making people have personal responsibility is not my argument. People should "take" personal responsibility for their actions, including you. Blaming others for your lack of personal responsibility is not a solution. I should also point out I never mentioned outlawing abortion. I simply said I would not be against it in extreme cases, such as rape, incest or when it threatens the mother's life. It's important to point this out, again, because it follows along with my point about personal responsibility. A woman that becomes pregnant because she is raped, is not pregnant because of a lack of responsibility. An innocent girl, the victim of incest and becomes pregnant, is not pregnant because of a lack of responsibility. A woman's life that is jeopardized by a pregnancy, is not due to a lack of personal responsibility. As for being rational, I don't consider the wholesale slaughter of babies for personal convenience, lack of responsibility and welfare benefits to be rational.
More personal attacks from a real classy guy. Next time try Japanese and you might get it right. I took the responsibility (i was underage btw) and said I would support the decision she made, and I still do. The entire point is, people don't have responsibility. And your simple minded (and very unrealistic) view isn't a solution. It's a fact that people won't take responsibility - they WILL leech the welfare system, they WILL abuse and neglect their children, etc. etc.
I am pro choice but i think the law needs to be changed to shorten the time you are allowed to get the abortion. My mother was a nurse and my dad a doctor and they always said that when people have abortions at the later dates its horrid, the child is pretty much developed and ti is essentially like killing a born baby. As someone else said it is possible extremely premature babies to survive, some of these babies are so premature they could of been put up for abortion(if not born obviously). However in the earlier stages of pregnancy lets say there first month or 2 into pregnancy then i think it is upto the women what to do. I also think that women should be taught about the alternatives such as adoption, and seeing as i am adopted myself id sooner adoption be the choice over abortion! I was born to a 13 year old girl too so if she could cope with the pragnancy then i think women a few years older can put up with inconvenience of pregnancy!
Hey guys... fanatical right wing christian's want to rule the world and tell the rest of us how to live our lives... isn't that ok with you? Don't you want to be opressed by fanatical right wing christians??? We can start with no abortions, no right to trials, no privacy, no free speech and absolutely no tolerance for being drunk in a bar
I wasn't aware it was offensive to drive a Ford Escort. Does it have ground effects? I agree, people don't have it, they *take* it. For their actions. Just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't (as you suggest). But then expecting people to take responsibility for their actions is just too unrealistic
Yep. I think yo-yo made it abundantly clear, he has no boundaries when it comes to killing babies. Personal convenience and welfare benefits are far more important, than life. Taking personal responsibility for one's actions is far too unrealistic.
The population is going up rapidly in the 3rd world, just as the economic growth over there. Young and fresh people can push the economic growth forward more than old. If we decrease in numbers, than they will catch up. The more people you have, the bigger economic growth potential you have. Should we just watch when the third world dictarships catch up and gain more political power? Humans doesn't suck the earth dry. Actually, our race is just a fart in the ecological system.
Well, yo-yo, you say that money will be saved is abortions will be banned, but those kids that may take welfare when they are young will contribute to the economy when they are between 20-60 years old. Actually, lots of money will be saved if abortions isn't allowed.