Thanks for the clarification Denise. I decided to pull some figures in, for those who do not believe this is murder. Typically a female will conceive and not know it initially. A period may be missed, but not always the first one. Some may wait till a second period is missed before realizing something is not normal. So anywhere from 4-9 weeks would be a time frame for one to realize they are or may be pregnant. A test is confirmed. An appoint to abort (murder) is made. 5-10 weeks along, at a bare minimum, a child is murdered. http://www.pregnancy.org/pregnancy/fetaldevelopment1.php Week 1-4 Gender is determined - Immediately upon fertilization your little one is set as a boy or a girl. Ladies, this is one that you can't take credit for since it is up to the sperm to determine the sex of your baby. Sperm carries either a "X" (girl) chromosome or a "Y" (boy) chromosome. (*Hint:* You will have to hold off on picking out the pink or blue until at least the second trimester when the gender will be visible via ultrasound.) Neural tube forms - It will develop into the nervous system (Brain, spinal cord, hair, and skin). Already your baby has the foundation for thought, senses, feeling, and more! Heart and primitive circulatory system rapidly form - While still in its beginning stages, this is the very life support system that will carry your child throughout his or her life. Week 5 First heartbeats begin - If you have an early ultrasound you may not be able to recognize this tiny being as a baby, but there is no mistaking what it feels like seeing your child's heartbeat on that screen. That rhythmic beat is echoed in your own heart. Umbilical cord develops - This is your baby's lifeline in utero. It bears the responsibility of pumping in oxygen, removing waste, and supplying the necessary nutrients for the remainder of your pregnancy. Blood is now pumping - All four heart chambers are now functioning, insuring your baby's body will receive all it needs over not only the remainder of your pregnancy but throughout life. Most other organs begin to develop - Your infant's lungs start to appear, along with her brain. Already your little one is preparing for a quest for lifelong learning! At five weeks, a baby in the womb has a heart beat. I'm sorry, but this is not prochoice, this is murder. It's an ugly word, but it is accurate. Some argue it's just tissue. I submit that a cyst is tissue, but it does not have a heartbeat. Five Weeks. And during weeks 1-4, the heart is forming. This is life! A baby should be entitled to a choice as well. The choice to live! I cannot fathom that people who refuse to take responsibility (use birth control) for their actions, would so casually murder an innocent baby. Adoption is an alternative, but taking responsibility to avoid such in the first place would be common sense. I've seen the argument that some religions prevent the use of birth control. I submit that if those religions prevent the use of birth control, they are probably against sex before marriage too. If they are willing to commit a sin under their religion to have sex outside of marriage, then by all means, tack another sin onto the list and use a condom to avoid the sin of murder. If a heartbeat, lungs and a brain are not things essential to life, I don't know what is.
So how often do you pester your parents about supporting the wholesale slaughtering of babies? And if your sister had done it, would you be calling her a murderrer right now? Would you go down to the local police station and ask them to bring her up on charges? How about your parents for accessory? Tsk Tsk...
I don't pester them at all, they no longer hold that view. No point in answering a hypothetical question about my sister. Unlike you, she choose not to murder her baby. He's about your age now, a little older.
great thread dude....i guess every person in the world is a criminal...i wonder how many babies have been killed due to wastage...
Actually the first step in believing abortions is wrong in any way is to start at the level of partial-birth abortions. If you know how that works, and you've seen the details, you'll start to feel a bit uneasy over the whole thing. My position has changed ever since I've seen how it's done. Personally, I think you have to be a sincerly sad person to do it at the late stages (while knowing what you're doing)...it's incredibly inhumane.
If DP used your reasoning for banning then no one would be here! I love the way you talk around in circles though. Very impressive.
If my mother wanted to kill me, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be born, that's for sure. Although I don't think I could personally have an abortion, it should definately be legal. I've be in the room with a friend while she went through an abortion, and going through an abortion is NOT easy, but sometimes it is in the best interest of all parties. So what you're saying is that you don't use western medicine? Western medicine is all about playing god. Cancer treatment, vaccines, extending peoples lives with modern medicine, etc. would also be "playing god".
Partial-birth abortion is a whole other issue. As far as I know, they are illegal in most states (as they should be, IMO) while "normal" abortions are legal.
I would say Abortions should be allowed.. if some women doesnt want a child due to some personal reason or any of the reason it should be allowed and after all its her life .. so she can have abortion if she wishes only with permission of her bf/husband..
abortion may be immorality but there's a different cases and reasons why women do that, maybe they'll think for the best of the unborn child... the person that will attempt this may blame themselve why this is happening to them... they should think wisely before doing things that may result unwanted situations
I honestly don't see it as an issue. It's a personal choice and peoples views shouldn't be forced on other people. If you don't agree with abortion then don't have one. Just because you don't agree with something then you have no right to force your views on others.
Yes, but isn't living in a democracy being all about not agreeing with something someone does, or something someone says, but still giving them and protecting their rights to do so? You don't have to agree with or like it for you to bless someone with rights. I don't agree with extreme right or left wing groups, but I'll still protect their rights to free speech.
As I've pointed out before that your argument is riddicolous by comparing it with robbery which is a less serious crime then murder. If you think democracy is about the right to murder others, then I suggest you're wrong. Democracy isn't about people doing whatever they like. Democracy is all about majority rule, nothing else(if you don't think of any democratic undercategory). If the majority is against murder or if the majority is pro-killing, that's what decides the destiny for the unborned inviduals that has a whole life ahead of them. But this is not a question of democracy, this is a questions of rights. The unborned inviduals right to live VS the mothers right to comfort. What about murdering 3 year or 5 year old kids? What the hell goes the line between life and not-important. The clearest line is when the sperm meets the egg IMHO. Everything else is just a relative border.