Or what? The courts would have not made the decesive decesion they did? In some cases they already did. Similiar event happened prior to the Revolution, where events were blown out of proportion...forms of civil disobedience. But it's not these little things that got it going, it's men writing the pages e.g Thomas Paine. His publication reached the masses, and intellectuals. Their contentions were already hitting the intellectuals and spurring the events to come. The black men that educated themselves, and voted...that along with those whom pushed that sort of honest judicial system through..., well, they did ten times more than the marches, imo. There would be no Brown, if it wasn't for them. All former decesions would weigh upon that. Most of the 60's legislation was attempting to go-backwards, rather forward. Poverty after 'Brown' went down extremely...then came legislative pandering and overuses of legal progression via the Civil Rights Movement. LBJ mockily passed laws that treated black people like children, rather than looking at them as adults. Starting the steady increase of the welfare state, and war on drugs...halting real progress among black communities.
gtech, your laughable pretty much all time I got this one grandfather reminds me a lot of you, now he is gone senile and he scared that every brown skinned person is a terrorist, he was saying the other day how he thinks the janitors at the hospital (mexicans I think) are plotting to blow up bridges, it kind of sad really. He called the family "traitors" for making stay at some home for awhile while he recovered from a stroke or something. I guess thats what steady diet of fox news will do to someone. oh well, that will probably be you before too long
dude,its like you are dsylexic or something first you say you can't break the law or disturb the peace no matter the cause, so I mention the civil rights movement, so then you say essentially saying that Rosa sparked the "infamous" civil rights movement so then I say yeah and she broke the law and disturbed the peace so then you say essentially Rosa parks doesn't mean anything, even though you brought her up
Let's see if I can do this, in typical ferret victimology style: "You think anyone that cares about their country is laughable and only wants the best for our country." Did I do it right? Maybe I need a few more qualifiers in there, huh? Still, it doesn't seem quite right. Ah, yes! Saying you cared about our country would actually be an insult to you. Hmm, I need to work on it...I'll get it!
My view was/is that the institutions in SF don't work hard enough to prevent these occurences. Or don't properly punish those whom do such. They're an instutition of education, duly given powers to ensure a proper enivorment for such. Now if you think Rosa really started it all....which I was humerously alluding, then your mind is forsaken. This movement gathered steam through former court decesions. Rosa refusal was an orchestrated event by an organization. They can say it's 'the reason', but historically that's a joke. The intention was to garner a reason, but the reason was already in existence long before it. In the grand scheme of things, Rosa was a Boston Tea Party...but that's not why things start...it's only symbolic. The real changes are from the courts and the already elected officials. The Revolution wouldn't have happened on the Boston Tea Party alone, it was only a symptom of desired change. Brown changed the make-up of schools and influenced the political landscape. It drew-upon legions of people to support general equal rights among the races (even more so) than what had been derived at the time. Hell, the civil rights movement would have had NO chance if white people didn't intially find and have some level of human engagement with black americans. Brown didn't involve any form of unlawful activity...it was pure attempt at changing the system, and it did far more than one persons disobedience to foolish laws. To end this, that law was foolish and would end..should end. Judicial decesions giving schools the right to enforce restrictions on certain speech and activity is not foolish, and incredibly necessary.
This is nothing new. All your life you are told, in the US public education system, to memorize the thoughts of others. It isnt until the collegiate level in education that it is ok to have your own opinions and beliefs. Thus college students are fiery individuals who have been restrained by a conservative society.
I was taught many things in highschool that amounted to being fairy tales. When i went to college i found out our great first president george washington was the first american terrorist. He did terrorism on the french to pressure them into leaving the territories they were on. I was taught that the shah of iran was so good. I never knew until later that he was an installed dictator and the guy who he took out in a coup was one of teh most peaceful, intellectual, democratic leaders i ever read about(mohammad mossadegh. No one is giving us(the american people) enough credit for knowing when we are being douped. Yes saddam was a dictator(who we also helped into power) yes he was a tyrant who butchered and gassed many people while out government turned a blind eye in the 1980's, but truthfully things were much better in iraq before then , at least saddam kept them in check and was a buffer against the terrorists coming into iraq. America is made for us the american people, not for the elitist aristocracy who are putting out soldiers(our american brothers and sisters) lives in harms way over a lie. No i really am starting to think this nation is starting to wake up and it starts with the students, the intellectuals of our country, not someone watching liberal left news or fox conservative right news. WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!
Thats a good post by PingPong. people are waking up though. Most people now realise that Iraq was a bad idea launched under false claims, only the diehard republicans who wont admit when they were wrong still support it. Most people realise that fighting a war for peace is like screwing for virginity. Now if people could only leave nationalistic bullsh1t behind we could get rid of all the politicians.
While I support free speech and freedom of expression I always marvel at university students protesting anything. As if they have enough life experience to determine what is best anyway. If they did, then they should foot their own tuition, IMO.
Perhaps they are at the stage where they are still idealistic. Probably not realistic, but its a lot better than being jaded or a cynic. They might not have the life experience, but they are at the stage where they believe in making the world a better place and are willing to give it a shot. I know a lot of older people who would like to make the same change but cant be bothered doing anything about it.
my sister-in-law is at stanford working on her ph.d (the over-achiever of the family)...and she complains all the time about how S.F. wants to NOT be a part of this country...its a haven for lunatics...I guess that is apparent.
the island I live on tried to leave the country its kind of understandable when you look at how some other parts of the country think
Home of the hippies...lol. I don't know. Everyone I know is either moderate, conservative or doesn't care about politics. Some of them have their liberal-leanings, but no ones insane....that I know of. We're one of the few places in this country that cultural accepts NABLA marches (ie within gay parades there's some men saying they want the right to have sex with kids). But the gay parade, muchless the city doesn't say much against that. Anything on the left is held to be socially permissable,...really. Not enough leaders with the balls to have morals, imo. If they ever had it.
key west http://www.conchrepublic.com/history.htm I don't know about the nambla stuff, I never spent much time in the castro, or went to any gay parades but I would say that San Fransico is probably one of the better cities in the country, New York being the best of course.
I did not know that. It will happen again...rest assured. Me neither, but word gets around; especially when you have religious 'right' friends. They know the dirt on everything. Nancy P was in one of those parades, actually. I'm not a big city fan. I think they're the worst place to grow-up (I would never race a child in one). I don't like the crowd, and the politics are often pandering. I personally would never go to New York City. No desire at all...none what-so-ever. But I'm not getting the context of your beliefs. Do you think they're political ahead of their times or just that they're nice places to live?
wow really, NYC is amazing I have been to like almost every state in the country and probably most of the major cities, well at least the ones on the coasts are you suburbs fan? politcally ahead of their times? on something yes , some no. I don't really follow what is going on there because I don't live there anymore. They do have a great public transportation system.
Perhaps I don't know. What exactly do you like about it? I like the coast actually. That's not exactly city or suburb, imo. Big cities are too hectic, and suburbs are too boring....or don't have the weather I like. I could conceive myself living in center America for just a tiny bit of time (for work purposes), but never for the rest of my life. I couldn't live in big cities, period. The ocean is something I need to see...I would feel bad in a place that didn't have the weather to go to the ocean often. Or worst...not at all. Understandable. Cities come under a realization that certain things require government oversite...that I can understand. I don't know about NYC, but SF is very pandering. Has to...NYC wouldn't survive without some level public transportation.
The people, the architecture, the parks, everything except the weather yeah no ocean = sucks I park my boat behind my house now, its great. Went out the day before yesterday it was 75, sunny, put enough mackerel in the freezer for a couple family dinners. Miami Beach is cool too, but its so into fashion, hip hop, etc