The article below gives insight on the "so called enemy of search engines, the SEO". We have discussed this many times, why do the SEO's seem to think that the search engines like them, or when did the SEO community and the search engines kiss and make up? http://www.clickz.com/experts/search/results/article.php/3370051 A good subject for Digital Point members to discuss.
Anthony, There is no evidence in this article that the SEs hate SEOs. She is talking about a issue with a single SE newbie sales rep. That rep doesn't speak for SE in general. And not all SEOs practice the cloaking and other things she seem to attribute to them. Check the McDar thread we are working our asses off to SEO this page. Do you see any spam or cloaking or link farms there. The answer is no! Stop trying to start a fight.
Bob, did I mention the word fight? What I did mention was: When did the SE's and the SEO community kiss and make up? Maybe it is just a small part of the "so called SEO's" that the search engines try to develop ALGO's to stop.
It must be pretty easy to spot an artificial mod/rewrite with garbage content. Just take the number of pages and divide by the number of inbound links. If it is a crazy large number then raise a red flag. Sites with lots of content should have lots of inbound links to various portions of it. Anthonycea, are you being aggrevating again?
TB, don't you think you have become a thorn in my side? I don't mind, I think I am starting to like your being around TB? Must love to be punished, it is a character defect of mine TB......Compar likes to punish me, why not you pile on TB? Getting back to the SE's wars against SEO tactics, you know if the spam reporting were taken seriously by the SE's a lot of crap pages would not be able to be optimized now would they. If they were smart they would just bannish the URL's period.
That question is like "when did you stop beating your wife". It assumes there was a falling out or a love/hate relationship or something. I'm not ready to concede that there was ever anything to "kiss and make up" about. And clearly what you are potentially doing, pushing this question and thread, is starting a possibily acromonious debate about what constitutes SEO and whether it is spam or not. Read the McDar thread. The page we are pushing is about sleeping bags. We think it is very relevant to sleeping bags. In fact is about nothing else than sleeping bags. So we aren't trying to spam the SEs. What we are doing is competing with the other sleeping bags sites -- our competitors. To this degree it is no different than buying a bigger or better ad in and outdoors magazine. Is the guy who spends the time, effort and money to buy the back cover spamming the magazine? No! Neither are we by spending the time, money and effort to attempt to come #1 in the SERPs. It is simply another form of marketing, promotion or advertising.
Now Bob I am not putting you in the class of a backdoor dealmaker, you know that I have published websites on webmasters and SE's that have certain relationships with each other that give each unique ways to make money that might not exactly be above board. I think at one point the webmaster admitted to making 30K a month off of ads because of spam redirection by the SE. So it is not always the "so called SEO/Webmaster" that is at fault here. A lot of spam is search engine affiliate advertising programs clogging the search index. By no means would I consider anything that you have admitted to doing corrupt. I am not talking about Compar, the evil SEO Guru, but how the SE's will deal with corrupt SEO's down the road. Don't you agree that URL's should be banned for illegal tactics? That is not SEM, but scam artists. I know of one unnamed firm that has a link selling operation, this guy will for a fee link a new clients site to the portfolio of 500 or so sites he webmasters. So that is a link farm Bob.
http://www.clickz.com/experts/search/results/article.php/3338211 The above link is to one of the brightest writers I have seen, there is a drop down menu under this article where you can access all of her articles. She has a goldmine of information on these issues. The following link if for Compar only, if anyone else clicks on it their computer will self destruct at a unknown time and date. http://www.oneupweb.com/search-marketing-results/white-papers.htm?source=clickz_june04_women_skyscraper
I got a better question who cares? maybe Shari Thurow should stop eating sandwiches and work on optimizing her site a bit becasue it doesn't seem to rank anywhere see its real easy to write an article but not so easy to get ranked for stuff If you want to read holy than thou seo articles read Jill whalen or doug heil at least their sites actually rank for competitive terms
Maybe they should get rid of her and hire you Ferret! Next you will be telling us that Danny Sullivan is an idiot because the website for his consulting business is not number 1. Maybe you could post some of your SERP's for your sites, so we can see how smart you are.
"Even if the SEM firm states it will write unique content for the microsite, the content might be gibberish. Or the SEM firm might create good-looking microsites with complete sentences and full navigation schemes. Though microsites might look and sound good at first glance, many software engineers consider them spam. Optimization should always occur on the main site." "Optimization should always occur on the main site" Who died and made her boss of the internet I am going to publish an article that says "Your main site must have my picture on it , to rank in google" anthonycea will be the first to run out and put it up
"many software engineers consider them spam" I'm a software engineer and I say they aint no spam, what do you think about that Shari Thurow
Sounds like you engage in a lot of the things she says one should not do. Did you sit on a ant hill this morning, sounds like some of them are still in your pants.
oh no whatever shall I do quick let me write an article about it so I can brand myself as an expert in anthonycea's world I better call it quits now, start submitting resumes to become a programmer again becasue anthonycea has kicked me out of the seo world
I don't know if you believe the stuff you post or if you just blinded by the marketing efforts online or if you just looking to argue, I don't want to make enemies and I hope you don't think I attacking you personally
Ferret, you are right, I am Blind, I never even read the articles I post, in fact, I'm really not even alive. I am a old spirit that came out of the Loc Ness Lake, I am sorry that a myth like me has caused you to leave the SEO profession, should I feel sorry for the programmers of the world?
Thank you Anthony, but I can't see why this would be for me alone. The problem with SEO is that nobody can really prove anything. Google won't tell us how they select a site for their SERPs so we are all making educated guesses. Some more educated than others. The problem with this thread you are promoting is that it is setting up a dicontomy between competiting "SEO Experts". I have publicly attacked Jill Whalen for what I considered bad information she was giving. I say was, because her response to the LED article the other day indicates that she has learned and excepted things that she swore were false as recently as 6 months ago. So in fairness I will have to reconsider her expertise. But I don't want to get into a debate about other experts. It only gives the entire profession a bad name. You think Shari Thurow is a great writer. That's fine with me. I do my thing, she does hers. If you find an article or a person that you enjoy or respect or who sounds logical then by all means suggest we read the stuff. But don't set it up with the "when did they kiss and make up" kind of crap.
Well Bob, by what you are saying I think that I should have said that the "SEO EXPERTS" may need to kiss and make up. I really was not aware of the mini war between the SEO's, so they attack each other and each others theories. What is new, that is why Webmaster Forums are the hot thing right now and will remain hot. If folks get their rocks off fighting about SEO techniques then we are at the right place. It is good entertainment if nothing else for everyone, I think that conflicting opinions are good for the webmasters and for the forum operators. As long as nobodys voice is censored I think at the end of the day we can be friends Bob. You and I started out hating each other, so what, we are now trying to help each other. Sometimes when you meet new folks that stuff happens. We kissed and made up Bob, even though you do not like that analogy. So there was never any friction between the SE's and the SEO's in the first place after all. I will take you at your almost word Bob.
Are you kidding? She spouts Crap all the time... No Offence, she does say some interesting things but a lot of it in the past has been really wrong... Also she seems to have this Hard arsed attitude towards anyone who isn't a *knowledgable* as her... Look at her seobitch site (or perhaps some of the others out there ; )- What a strange lady... Doug Heil Is a little more interesting to read I find though...