September 11, 2001 attacks were planned by the United States government

Really? Larry Silverstein owns the building, but "he doesn't have the ability to pull them down." Yeah, and I'm Roger Rabbit.

Read Operation Northwoods, then read about 911. There is a connection there...............Operation Northwoods shows that the U.S. government is willing to state terror attacks to achieve political goals. That is the point I'm trying to make. Operation Northwoods mentions hijacking planes, or blowing them up. The plan was not enacted, like the other stuff I mentioned, but the government had it on the table.

 

Actually a steel frame building was the problem. There were no support columns inside. If part of the frame melts the whole building comes down.

Fire can melt steel. Especially a fire from aircraft jet fuel.

Where you ever in the World Trades Towers and have you seen the blueprints?

 

He doesn't have control of the situation during a fire or a disaster. The fire dept is the only group that can make the call. Building owner's desires are not included in their decision. Believe it or not, its true.

 

Larry Silverstein doesn't own the buildings. He only has a lease.

 

So now you are trying to argue that "it (oops, there's that word again!) might/could happen" therefore it did?

Where's the logic? Where's the "hanging chad?"

Where's the smoking gun?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191520,00.html

Stop letting alex jones and other nuts that create *for profit* conspiracies to sucker money out of people with low self-esteems do your thinking for you. No men in "black suits" are going to show up at your door, 2am in the morning and take you away. This is not a Mel Gibson "conspiracy" movie.

 

Well, this has been kind of interesting watching this debate go on. I never believed in the 911 conspiracy anyway but thought I would wait to see if Tesla had something to say. Lorien won. Remind me never to debate Lorien.

 

Tesla, I'll await an answer here too:

Have you seen any evidence of this hyper-competent government at any time during the Bush administration, other than 9/11? What other plan have they managed to pull off so perfectly?

Its not about winning or losing (well, maybe a little it is, these are sadistically enjoyable at times ). I hate that people shit on the graves of the innocent victims of 9/11 when they bring this crap up. They cause more pain with their beliefs than anything else. It's sad that their narcisistic desire for attention over-rides any sort of compassion. At least, for one or two days, you'd think they'd refrain from doing this. But they don't. It's tragic.

 

How is it relevant. I will simplify it like a math problem. People in this forum keep saying how "stupid the government is, and how they're not able to pull off such a sophisticated attack. Oh yea, BUT GUYS IN A CAVE IN THE MIDDLE EAST CAN DO IT BETTER. Come on, don't be so naive.

The reason I listed all those PROVEN CONSPIRACIES is to establish two things.

1. The U.S. government and CIA are not angels, and they have a very corrupt history.

2. The government does have the sophistication and ruthlessness to sacrifice its own citizens to achieve political aims. Not just the U.S. government, all governments around the world!!!!!!

 

Good point, bogart. This was true of the San Francisco bridge earlier this year. April I believe. Fire fueled by fuel, from an over turned tanker, melted the beams and the bridge collapsed.

Ironically, there seems to be no mysterious conspiracy over that.

Heh! I just made $85 from one of my affiliate programs while typing this message

 

Hehe, did I tell you I hung out with Mel here in Costa Rica the other day? He's fun when he's drunk (he usually is), long as he keeps his opinions about Jews to himself and doen't get behind the wheel.

 

Damn lorien you are fast tonight!!! GTech will be very proud of you. Moreso than he already is.

In within ONE MINUTE of the OP. And posting that crappy blog too.

Dude you are a legend!

 

Another good point. I dunno about you, but the lease at my warehouse doesn't allow me to tear it down on a whim.

 

Thanks AGS. Would you care to resolve your unanswered 9/11 questions this evening as well? Or would you like to leave this thread with the same shred of dignity with which you originally entered?

 

Here is everything that the government has pulled off perfectly. The Bush administration is just one administration. The problem is not just them, its the entire government. If Hillary gets elected in 2008, the same corruption will exist. Corrupt government is the problem, not just the Bush Administration or the Clintons. It is all of them.

Now, this is what the government has carried out successfully:


MKULTRA:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA CIA Mind Control Experiments

Operation Mockingbird:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird CIA takes over domestic(American) media

Project SHAD:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_shad Government intentionally exposes U.S. troops to radiation and other harmful effects.

Project Ajax:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax CIA overthrows democratically elected Iranian president Mossadegh

Operation PBSUCCESS:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBSUCCESS CIA overthrows president Arbenz

Government Does Syphilis Study on Black Men:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskege...the_Negro_Male Studies done on Black men for Syphillis. Black men die from infection when government could have treated them, but intentionally didn't

Project Paperclip:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Paperclip U.S. government violates international law by bringing 700 nazi scientists into U.S. Much of this operation is STILL classified.

REX 84 (Government plan to build detention camps for Americans) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

Yep, now that sounds like a government that is full of idiots. I mean, there is no way they could have done 911, even though they've pulled off a bunch of other sophisticated stuff.

 

You asked for it. I refrained, Tesla. I tried. Government? Or space aliens! OOOOOOOO!

proof and theory are two distinct concepts. Check out that dictionary of yours

Maybe the aliens are guiding it all, tesla! Since it spans multiple administrations, surely it'd take a superior force to ensure compliance across generations, right?

so bush, in his administration, has pulled off nothing as perfect as 9/11. Agree or disagree?

 

Show me a picture where 25% of one of the faces was ripped off lorien? That is complete BS and you know it.

WTC 5 and 6 were virtually decimated by debris and they never collapsed.

Also stop quoting snopes as fact all the time, it makes you sound stupid.

 

Guys in a cave didn't pull it off. They coordinated it and funded it. That "guy in a cave" has millions at his disposal and went hiding in that cave when our military showed up to kick their ass. They recruited people to do their work for them by promising them virgins.

And it's not the first time. Like you believe there is some history of "conspiracies," there really ARE history of muslims blowing shit up around the world. And a lot of history during the 90s. Don't be so naive.

 

Hmm, maybe he is?

 

Poor AGS. Can't read the sources provided in Snopes

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Scroll down. Pretty pictures!

WTC 7 had a special design due to the fact it was built over an electrical station. We've been over this, AGS. You left last time, remember?

Remind me not to underestimate AGS again

 

Speaking of stupid, what do words on a computer monitor "sound" like?