September 11, 2001 attacks were planned by the United States government

so your argument is that the government controls the programming on the history channel, then? Ok

so now, hannity, orielly, malkin, limbaugh are all involved too? Am I involved too, Tesla?

So you don't know every detail, but you know just how the towers fell, how the pentagon was hit. who did it. But can't answer a simple, fundamental question about wtc7? Come on Tesla. Try harder for me.

He was a cannibal. Care to get back to wtc 7 now?

6th time (or 7th). melting is a canard. Steel loses 50% integrity at the temperatures it reached. Do you believe the towers were able to withstand that, especially after the damage the planes did to its structure?

Please answer this time.

Which we've previously gone over and you failed to respond to anything I typed about that. Thanks for wasting my time there.

Nope he wasn't. Bin laden was a bit player in the afghan/soviet war. He was not important at all. He had his own money, he didn't need ours. He came to power during the 90's when the taliban came into the country.

You have evidence of nothing you've posited for 20 pages now. Yet you refuse to even "think" about the logical flaw in the wtc7 attack. That's quite revealing, Tesla.

Now for AGS

You are always going to sleep, working on your sites, or masturbating to oreilly when given the opportunity to defend yourself. You have time now. Defend your beliefs AGS. Surely you've put the intellectual effort into them to put up a defense, havent you?

I'll look forward to you not following thru here

agreed. Tesla looks like quite a fool during these 20 pages, doesnt he?

He later accepted blame. We also have video of bin laden with some of the hijackers as well. History does not end when you'd like to, Tesla.

 

We are prosecuting this as a military operation, not a criminal operation. I agree, a 5 year old could figure this out. Why can't you?

 

Here's your basic problem, Tesla.

You are simply parroting things you've read. You have not taken any time to think through any of it. It fits a pattern you believe (the gubment is out to get you) so you accept it. Your belief is religious and I quite understand that.

If you start at page one in this thread and jot down everything you've chosen not to defend (or outright ignore), the list is just staggering, isn't it? Is this what your (so-called) logical mind has given you? A list of responses to your own questions, that you cannot accept?

 

You know, when you've read a lot of the books I've read, you begin to see that the world in which you live is interconnected. Not only was Bin Laden a patsy, Zacarias Moussaoui was a patsy as well. Here are some quotes from Wikipedia about Moussaoui:

According to the Associated Press, three jurors decided Moussaoui had only limited knowledge of the September 11 plot, and three described his role in the attacks as minor, if he had any role at all.

 

So now we've moved the target to moussai huh? Off everything else?

Moving targets. Classic. Tesla. Just classic.

This is classic. You do not believe that bin laden was involved; yet you believe him when he says this. Classic!

This is another fundamnetal flaw in the plan, right?

If the US got Bin Laden to do it, surely he'd get the story straight and say "yes moussai was involved" don't you?

So, now we have 2 fundamental issues?

WTC 7 - why not use a plane

Bin Laden - why can't he get Bush's plan straight to cover up properly.

You are doing very well here, Tesla. Continue.

 

This is not debated. Please read my earlier posts on this thread. I've already said that the CIA took over the American domestic media with Operation Mockingbird in the 1960s:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

Please go read about operation mockingbird........yes, the government has taken over the history channel, and that isn't my opinion.

They have attacked 911 truth. They are all part of the mainstream media, which the government/CIA controls. Please refer to Operation Mockingbird.

I've posted plenty of evidence. You just haven't read it........

If Bin Laden did it, why hasn't the FBI put the crime on his most wanted list? Colin Powell said they had the White Papers showing how he was behind it, remember? Oh thats right, those papers were never released....

 

So I'm not involved? Whew! This spiral of insanity keeps getting deeper and deeper for you doesn't it. Look at yourself. Look at who you believe is involved in this. The list is growing an growing.

No. You've posted suppositions and distractions. You've shown absoluately no evidence of anything. For 20 pages. In fact, several times when shown evidence to the contrary, your response is "bullshit...next topic"

 

Well, this is more evidence that 911 was an inside job, because Zacarias was clearly the fall guy, which any smart criminal group will use in a crime.

 

How have I posted suppositions and distractions? I've looked at the evidence you've presented, and I've shown all its fallacies. All my information comes from the encyclopedia, professors, and science. But you still think its BS? Well, that is your right........

The truth will come out one day, and the people who are truly responsible for 911 will pay for what they did. Lorien, you can be in denial about your government, but it is only going to make things worse. It is much better for you to research the history of the U.S. government and CIA, and accept the truth for what it is. They are not angels, and they never have been.

 

AGS tells me bin laden is the fall guy. Which is it? Are they both it? Anymore people you'd like to throw into the mix and say were in on the conspiracy?

Seriously. Tesla. Go through these 21 pages and look at what you have refusen to defend. How can your "logical" mind still support a theory you aren't even willing to defend, intellectually.

 

You have shown nothing. Tesla. Want me to pick any random page in this thread so you can see how poorly you've been defending yourself here?

Yes the two page discussion on "it" was very enlightening. That's when it first became ridiculous for you.

Then the professor (not plural, mind you) didn't even have a peer reviewed paper. He had it posted in a journal he owns. That's credibility right there!

Science? You mean that physics book you read; that apparently didn't even have a chapter on momentum ?

Tesla, show some dignity here and stop responding. You clearly have no real grasp of this. If you wanna keep believeing; that's fine. I don't really care. But preserve some self respect at least. Cuz you aren't winning any points here.

 

This is all that you have: the ability to dodge questions asked to you, the ability to dodge questions by bringing up other questions instead of supplying your own answers and ad hominem attacks.

It's pretty simple to understand why I now have given up debating with you: you aren't interested in debate. You're interested solely in giving rhetoric. Like I said earlier, I answered your question and you cannot do me the simple courtesy of answering mine, in a yes or no fashion. This is what passes for modern debate with pundits or apologists. You've demonstrated that you have no interest in debating or listening to answers to your questions and furthering the discussion along the same line of questioning. And now because I flip your own standards back at you, you accuse me of dodging *your* questions?

A person that has no courage can call another man a coward but it doesn't mean a thing. Until you start giving the same level of respect to others as is being afforded to you, I don't have to answer another of your questions ever again. You act like a child, you get treated like a child.

 

Another speech by chant, huh? Poor thing.

So you won't defend the fact you believe that Bush should go invading any country he wants because he's after one man. This is the point you are putting forth, aren't you.

I know you wanna try and spin this around on me. We've done it multiple times in the past and each time you do the same song and dance with me. It wasn't amusing then, and it's not now.

And, its even more interesting that you claim you arent interested in discussing it yet; you come back and make a speech to announce (multiple times) that you aren't interested in discussing it.

It's actually quite sad. But typical.

 

AGS is right. I never said Zacarias was the "only" fall guy. You are spinning what I said. Al Qaeda itself is the fall organization that was blamed for the attacks. Zacarias is the only one to go to prison, and they couldn't even find any hard evidence linking him to the attacks, and Bin Laden said he was never involved.

So because a man who earned his PHD in Physics doesn't get his work published in a peer reviewed journal(because the peers won't accept his findings, pure and simple, whether Steven Jones requested the work to be peer reviewed or not) this means that he must be wrong about the WTC towers being bought down by explosives?

Steven Jones found Thermite in the WTC samples, and yet still, he must be wrong because his research was never put in a peer reviewed journal? Lorien, please try to tell me he didn't find any thermite in the samples.

Lorien, Chant is right. All you do is dodge questions and attack the ideas with no hard evidence. You link to government documents like the 911 Commission, and you don't even bother to compare that to the stuff that contradicts it.

You know what I've notice lorien? You're the only one in this thread still defending the official story. Gtech, everyone has not commented in at least 24 hours. I have to give them credit, because even they can't defend themselves against the mountain of evidence which shows the government lying. I mean, you've got WTC 7, thermite found in the samples, Operation Northwoods(which lays the blueprint for 911), basic melting points of steel which shows the 911 truth people are right, Bin Laden being a known CIA asset, the connection between Bush and the Bin Ladens........the list just goes on and on..If we were in a court of law, lorien I assure you that the case would be won by the 911 Truth people. You would not win the case, because you can't even deal with the direct questions me or Chant ask you.

Perhaps Gtech, ly2, and the others have given up, who knows? What I know for sure is that no matter how you slice it, the official story of 911 doesn't stand up to science, and the man who the government says is behind it hasn't been charged, even though Zacarias Moussouai, a guy who doesn't even have direct links, and who Bin Laden said himself wasn't involved, has gone to prison.

Then the government gets on tv with specials on history channels attacking 911 truth. This is because they know it is the truth, and they are trying to cover their rear ends.

Guys like ly2 and Gtech tell me I'm "insulting the families" of 911 by pointing holes in the official story. No, I'm actually defending them. I'm trying to find out who was really behind it, instead of just listening to government rhetoric.

 

I thought you wised up yesterday, Tesla. You are just projecting. It is you that will not look at any evidence that contradicts your viewpoint. Look back when I posted evidence that clearly contradicted what you typed and said "wait, I'm looking for flaws on the site" - you didn't even attempt to approach the counter evidence with an open mind. You religiously held fast to your beliefs. Facts, pictures, unparsed conversations be damned. Don't project, Tesla. This is your failing. Not mine.

So, now your argument that 911 was an inside job is that Gtech hasn't posted here in a while? Listen to yourself, Tesla. Gtech doesn't need to comment. Nor does anyone else. Every 9/11 truther that came into this thread I have sliced up numerous times in the past, Gtech doesn't need to come and back me up. I don't expect it, nor does his or anyone else's involvement enhance or detract from the pasting you've taken over the past 22 pages.. AGS promised to come back and debate - he didn't (of course). You aren't even debating 9/11 anymore. You are now just complaining about random things. Remember our discussion about "it" - Again; this is clearly a case of projection.

I remember a few pages back you decided to solely focus on silverstein. Did it take 2 pages for your claims to shown totally false? Or was it 3? You don't even attempt to discuss your hardened beliefs anymore. Anyone coming into this thread, with a blank slate, would clearly see how poorly your beliefs have performed.

And this. History channel runs its own programming; but since it goes against your line of thinking; immediately you say "oh the government made them put it on there" - listen to yourself. You are completely silly.

No. Tesla. You are shitting on the grave of everyone who died on 9/11. I thought you would either abandon the thread of show the tiniest shred of humanity and at least wait until tomorrow to do this. But no, you came back today; showing how detestable your beliefs are. You can't even give it a single day of the year to back off and think about those who died. Become a human, just for a day. Tesla.

Bin laden did later claim responsbility. We also have tapes showing him and some of the hijackers together. I believe, today, another tape was released showing him with another of the hijackers. You think history has stopped; but it hasn't.

Not. Peer. Reviewed.

Anyways...

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

This link includes some of your favorite topic (physics! Tesla! physics!) Please do try to read it this time, will ya?

 

this is an old video man do you really believe it? i have seen it before its kind of rediculous to believe it in my opinion

 

I gave up on this thread when you, GTech and other idiots pulled the old "You are shitting on the grave of everyone who died on 9/11" line.

Just because people question 9/11 does not mean that they are against the victims of 9/11. Every time that you and other idiots try that line it makes me angry.

There are many unanswered questions on 9/11 and we will need more than them idiots from Popular Mechanics to debunk everything on that one.

The fact is that your lover Bush has gotten away with it, just like he got away with the BS WMD lie and just look how many people have died for that.

Either you're a total fool, or you are making some money off of what is happening in Iraq. My bet is that you are just a fool that supports Bush no matter what he does or says, if you are not being paid to do this then you certainly should be.

 

It's not about supporting Bush. I don't even like Bush.
It's about supporting your fucking country.

 

The Iraqi-Bin Laden Connection to 9/11

http://www.geocities.com/republican_strategist/Iraq-Bin-Laden.html

 

Sure AGS. Keep the delusion going. And what would be your excuse for every other time you promised to come back and justify your 9/11 beliefs and failed to do so? Cowardice?

Yep. AGS. I know it hurts your feelings to know that you are shitting on their graves. But you don't even honestly believe what you claim to believe or you'd come back and stand up for it. But you don't. Your beliefs stem from hatred of his country. Nothing else. I think you should just accept that.

Wait. Previously you claim that Bush didn't plan it - he was simply a front man. Now, to bolster you claim you say "he got away with it" - which is it? Did he do it, or was he just a patsy? At least get the story straight in your own mind before coming out here to explain yourself to everyone else.

Nah. AGS. I laugh at you for free and an pleased to do so. It's nice to know that you are open to the possibility that I'm part of the conspiracy though. I think that shows the extent of how delusional you are.