SEO Companies with a PR0... do they seriously expect to succeed?

In the past i have seen quite a few SEO consultant site submissions to my directories. The thing that always bemuses me is the fact that quite a lot of these submissions don't have a PR ranking on their site.

Surely nobody would pay a SEO company to carry about SEO work when they can't even get it right themselves? Is the SEO industry simply getting over saturated with lots of people who believe they can provide SEO services? (of course i understand PR isnt everything...)

 

I would never pay for it but these companies could be good, maybe they just didn't have time to develop their pr

p.l.u.r.

 

You have raised some good points, maybe they are new, or maybe they don't know what they are doing, or even not interested in PR for their own site.
But certainly it is a worthy subject to develop further

Lets see as they post on this thread

 

Surely though PR from google is a major issue that any SEO company has to address for their clients? Its within pretty much any sites ability to achieve a PR ranking even if its just a PR1 isnt it?

Also another issue is good at SEO doesnt = good site design (but surely both should go hand in hand!?!?!?)

 

What about established SEOs who have 10 years experience in internet marketing working for a company, who then decide to start their own SEO business? Every web site has to start somewhere.

 

SEO is well payed business, they could invest some money in lik building and then start to offer their services to toher people...

p.l.u.r.

 

Many top SEO's do not even have a website, most business is by word of mouth and they spend the time promoting websites for clients not worrying about pr for their site.

 

I don't even have a website for my SEO services and it seems to work pretty well. Certainly wouldn't ever think one SEO was better than another because of their PR.

 

SEO's do deserve to receive good commissions in exchange for their hard work.

 

Nobody said that one seo is better then other because of his/hers pr but I'm sure that if you had a website with your seo services it would at least be pr1, right?

p.l.u.r.

 

How does a brand new site get anything other than PR0? There's a period before the next public PR update where all pages on a new site have PR=0.

 

I've said earlier in this thread that it would be good if you offer a service such as seo once you reach some kind of pr, be it 1 or 8 it doesn't really matter, just to show to people who don't know you that you can do it.

p.l.u.r.

 

Personaly I'd put more value on client testamonials before looking at a pagerank.

 

They are not new. Almost all self proclaimed SEOs have a site with PR3 or at best 4 selling SEO service, except for a few. And they will harp that PR doesn't matter

It is true that PR is not as important as SERP but then at least have the effort of getting a decent PR if you are selling SEO as a service.

 

if I started a website today and bought links for it, I wouldn't get PR till after Crimbo now so does that mean I don't know what I'm doing!?

SEO companies with no PR can raise a number of questions, are they new? if so how experienced are they? are they cowboys with a throwaway site? do they know what there doing? do they actually care about there own rankings?

all are valid points and you really can't judge a book by it's cover, especially a website by it's PR

 

Very good point. With so many people advertising SEO sevices you soon learn that best leads come from previous clients and word of mouth.

 

You can ask them about results
And it is good if the are showing some where when searching for SEO company or search engine optimization + location
That s mean they did something for themself and the may do it for you

 

There is no reason to excuse a seo company with a low page rank.

I am no SEO guy but I have been reading about page rank and seo all over the place and the "master" seo guys like to dismiss it or tell all the "newbies" that it doesn't matter like a badge of honor because they (the seo masters) understand the intricate details on such matters.

But the sky is still blue even though a atmospheric scientist will tell you it isn't.

If page rank doesn't matter why all the discussion, why does Google bother, why do all the big popular sites have a large page rank, why do people obsess over page rank when they buy links, i could go on and on and on as the forums are filled with such nauseating detail on the importance or relative importance of page rank.

Ok so the excuse is that the seo guy has a low page rank because he just started, what? You mean to say that the seo guy has never had a website before? Shouldn't a seo guy have a collection of websites, that they have been in charge of for some period of time before they just launch their business.

I am a complete moron and have only been studying this business for 6 months, but can get a page rank 4 in 3 months and a page rank 3 without trying.

Point is this, are there valid reasons why a seo guy would have a 0 page rank, I guess you can always think one up, after all this is a creative business. But why make excuses? It matters, everything matters. And if the guy is just starting out then fine. But we all know that a key ingredient in hiring anybody, from your babysitter to your dentist, the length of time someone has been in business is very important

Now for my excuse for them, maybe they are not using those sites for their primary business yet and are just seasoning those websites to use in the future.

thanks for reading my vent

Scott

 

We're not trying to pull the wool over your eyes, there are no intricate details to understand!

Because it's still part of the 100 or more factors that make up the ranking algorithm

Because big popular sites tend to have lots of people linking to them - hence the high PR. I think you'll find most people that know what they're talking about don't obsess over PR, but relevancy of their links.

The site I work from has a PR6, but then one of mine also has a PR0 (Since it's new) does that mean clients should ignore that site despite lots of my work having to to #1 spots?

Such as being new?

Have a read of this

 

I've definately opened a can of worms me thinks - some interesting responses!