I am running some what successful web sites selling my own weight loss product. At some point used automation tools, nothing crazy like xrumer, obviously manipulating link juice and got in top 5 for a lot of keywords. Our yearly sales got to $2M and enormous % of profits. Last year, around March we were penalized by Google. Later we were able to recover and managed to get even higher in serps using same tools. Around latest pinguin and panda updates, our sites dropped from top to nothing, I am talking about from making thousands per day to $50. We talked to Google, asked for forgiveness and submitted disavow to remove all the garbage sites from linking to us. Started senuke xcr campaigns, bought very interesting projects from zontseo, paid for many different services like articlebuilder, seeing some really good articles being posted etc... but nothing works so far. We are hanging somewhere on the 4-7th pages. Sure people say that senuke is a spam, black hat whatever, but at the same time there no perfect world in Google. You simply cannot compete with giant sites unless you manipulate links. I guess what I am looking for is a solution. I am very well aware of seo and I am so not interested in reading opinions from scammers. Tired of idiots offering manipulated pr links that will only get you banned. I am looking for real people with real solutions who can explain things and possibly join our team.