Scammer Beware - Lost $60 - Reuben Is A Fraudster!!!

Thanks for informing us..I've sold few sites to James and payment was fast and he is great guy to deal with .
Saad

 

What evidence are you using to base your claim on? I AM NOT REUBEN. My name is David and I have worked with Reuben on a number of occasions, both in a buyer/seller relationship and together on certain projects. It's harmful to talk about members publicly when you start making irrational statements like this. I am certain is violates the DP policy, and definitely violates standard forum conduct on the web. If you have a problem, tell the admins. Saying "xxxx is a scammer" when they clearly aren't a scammer isn't helpful. Reuben is not a scammer. A scammer deliberately premeditates his actions, and knows that he will take somebody's money. Reuben hasn't done this. A problem came between James and Reuben, and he gave his money back to him. Where's the problem?

You'd feel pretty terrible if I made a thread saying "James is a scammer - money refunded and tried to con twice as much by claiming he wasn't refunded". You wouldn't like that, so why do you think it's ok that you do it? You've lied - no two ways about it. You said "scammed out of $60". WHATEVER the situation, this is a lie because we've seen Reuben has refunded at least $45. $45 was the amount agreed, but even if it wasn't you've still told lies about the transaction. Want me to post a flame-thread about you? No, because that's not how mature people deal with problems.

And for the last time

I AM NOT REUBEN

David

 

Thanks for warning! It is nice to know about such things!

 

Still no refund....

 

Refer to my previous statement. Reuben's computer is in service at the moment because, in his own words, the port for his charger isn't working. As soon as he's on he'll sort it out. This is a harmful thread and I don't think DP encourage this kind of stuff. Nobody seems to be addressing the fact that James has out and out lied. Nobody's even referenced that. The title of the thread is false, and the explanation of the transaction is false. It's a harmful way to conduct business and I hope you rethink your strategy of dealing with problems.

David

 

Who are you anyway and why do you think people would believe you? You have just been a member for few days and you have nothing to prove against OP. I would suggest that since you have nothing to do with this transaction and if you are not Reuben yourself stay away from this thread because it is doing nothing but ruining your own reputation here and it is not in anyway helping Reuben or anyone else

 

I totally agree with you jaree

 

Update:

phgonline has been refunded 30 dollars

James's original claim is entirely false. There is no outstanding claim left.

A little about me:

Reuben and I have had a business/friend relationship for a long time. We've bought and sold to each other, with each other, worked on projects and things like that. I speak to him via telephone on a regular basis and, as Reuben asked me to, I gave screenshots to show why the OP is wrong. I also refunded phgonline, purely on the request of Reuben. His computer is currently being fixed - that's why he can't come online at the moment. The paypal records show no outstanding dispute with James, and the screens I posted are proof that his money has been refunded. This is a silly episode and I hope you all realise that it's not a good idea to make conclusions before seeing the evidence.

That's it - there are no outstanding disputes. I will report anybody else who continues this terrible example of ill-supported slander to the admins. James, I'm sure the admins will deal with you in due course. Lying your way into getting money, for whatever reason, is never justified. I hope you've learned at least that.

David

 

OK now i hope you will understand it other way, No one cares about the BS you are talking about. You have nothing to do with the transactions and OP do not want you in his thread he wants Reuben to answer him not you. He has nothing related with you and he doesnt need your help in any matter. If Reuben is right he will come in this thread and post. Now take that foolish story somewhere else that his computer has problems because it doesnt make any sense, How did he provide you with proof how is he being updated on phone, do you read the whole thread for him on phone. It is near impossible that he have no computer to use at all Hope you understand the situation now. All you are doing here is wasting your time and ruining your reputation here at DP no one cares what you say in this thread until Reuben come here and prove the claim false

'Unsubscribes for the thread'

 

Do I read the whole thread to him on the telephone? Yes! Reuben phones me every day of the week. Why is this hard to believe?

Reuben asked me personally to refund all ONE of the outstanding disputes, and to post the screenshots. He'd refunded James before his computer even malfunctions - before James even made this thread! You're evading the evidence that the OP lied. It actually doesn't matter in reality who posted the screens. They prove either way that James lied, and now you've gone so far in supporting him you feel embarrassed to take back what you said.

You are clearly wrong and it has been proved so. Reuben has temporarily granted me access to his paypal account - that's how eager he is to get this silly dispute sorted out. Look at this:




That shows the open disputes well and truly closed. You can't say this doesn't mean anything. You can't brush it under the carpet or bury your head in the sand. This is 100% proof that Reuben is innocent. You need to stop fighting for the sake of fighting. Just admit you were wrong on this one, guys.

David

 

tootrue you don't know what your talking about, he refunded $45.
He still owes me $15 but I dont care about that at this point of time.

The screen shots are not fake, the only one embarrassing himself is you. I have pages of convos with Reuben saved on my computer, do you want me to send it to an expert to see if they have been tampered with.. I dont think so.

You keep coming back to this thread and posting information which I have already stated. HE HAS REFUNDED ME $45. HE STILL OWES ME $15.
When will you get that through your head!

Whether I made this topic after Reuben I dont know, I blocked him on msn becuase as you can see from the screen shots, he was being very abusive. I don't deal with people like that. Then I made this topic. Whether he refunded me 30 seconds before I posted this topic, I dont know and to be honest don't care.

I was going to take legal action against him and he knew that. He is dealing in a very fraudent way and as you can see, it has to go to this far to get a refund.

tootrue yuor posting useless screen shots and your trying to prove what? what I already stated above..your making a fool of your self.

And what I dont get is why your still posting..Your wasting your time and forum space with your false accusations against me.

I think everyone agrees with me but you, let Reuben say what he has to say. I say thread closed until Reuben posts or if he wants to post!

I'm tired of coming back to General Chat to see you, posting any other irrelevant post.

I think your forgetting the point of this topic, it was to warn people of Reubens ways. And thats all.

James

 

You know what that proves, that proves that he scammed 5 people and then afterwards he refunded them and not 100%. To be honest i do not give a Jack to support someone here i dont know either parties but i am tired of this crap you are posting. This thread is about Reuben not about you and you dont seem to understand that point but there is nothing we can do to stop you posting here. Go and try to convince some 12 year old with your proofs and your stories


I still believe that you and Reuben are somehow same guy and that paypal screenshot and story really scares me

 

This is unbelievable. If you look at the 5 entries, you will see that four of them are refunds to you FOR THE SAME TRANSACTION.

The other one is from phgonline which has been resolved elsewhere.

This is why they shouldn't let 14 year olds be members at digital point. In light of overwhelming evidence against your claim, you have resorted to straw men, red herrings, and extremely obvious distraction techniques to get away from the fact that there is no dispute. You made this thread after Reuben had given you all of the partial refunds, which as the screenshot clearly shows, amounts to the final total.

The SS clearly shows it does. It doesn't matter whether I posted the screenshots, whether Reuben posted them, or whether Jesus posted them, they speak for themselves. You have falsely accused him, James, and that's called flaming. Then worst kind of flaming too. You've out and out lied. The evidence clearly shows that you have been refunded everything. The screenshots clearly show this. It clearly shows that your case has been closed. You are denying this out of embarrassment. I don't expect you to behave like an adult, because you are dealing with it as any 14 year old boy would. But in the real world, we don't accuse without evidence, and when evidence shows we are wrong we admit defeat in the face of overwhelming fact and proof.

David

 

Ask Reuben to come here and defend himself, refund his remaining $15 and dispute will be over thats all OP is saying. I could care less about who is right and who is wrong but till now there is no one to support Reuben except you and if you or he knows how to conduct business he must also know that Buyer always have more rights then the seller

 

As I said before, his computer is malfunctioning and has been for the past day or two. It's in service now, and until he gets it back or finds some sort of internet cafe - he can't come online. That is the only reason why I am on here. Believe me, I have no doubt that he can fight his own battles.

Jaree, you've changed your stance a lot. And you're still way off the mark. There is no remaining $15. Paypal don't close disputes based on a partial refund. It clearly says "Case closed", meaning every transaction dispute relating to James is non-existent. There are no outstanding disputes. And let's suppose there were outstanding disputes. Can you tell me what is wrong with this:

"Scammer Beware - Lost $60 - Reuben Is A Fraudster!!!"

That's the OP's thread title. This is clearly false whether we accept my premise or your premise. So James has no leg to stand on either way. Do you see the problem here? Let's look at the facts cosolidated:

1) James has created an inflammatory thread
2) James lied about the amount in question
3) James lied about the amount he would have lost had he not been refunded
4) James lied about the existence of a refund
5) 3 screenshots on the first page show that James was refunded all of the money
6) The screenshot on page 2 confirms this with a table showing all of the refunds with the title in the table "Case closed". This means that there is no outstanding dispute, which is the final nail in the coffin for James.
7) Whether I, Reuben, or your next door neighbour posted the screens, they still say the same thing - it's a red herring to talk about the poster

8) For the record: My name is David. I knew Reuben for a few years. We've bought things off each other, sold things too each other, and sometimes worked together too. We are also good friends, which is why he has given me the obvious burden of trying to clear his name. You're making a conspiracy where there isn't one. I'm sure I could find some sort of unique claim number for his laptop that is being fixed if you so wish. I promise you, little guy, I am not Reuben.

You must realise this. This is pure fallacy. No dispute exists between Reuben and James. It's time to admit you were wrong, James. Pure and simple. We don't solve arguments like this in the real world - we act like rational people. Rational people don't post inflammatory material that contains blatant lies. And you still maintain these lies despite the fact that the four screenshots posted prove a) You're lying and b) Reuben is innocent.

David

 

Let me make something clear for you incase you dont know this, Paypal do not even try to solve claims that involves digital goods aka Virtual items. As i said i could care less who is scammed but to be honest what caught my attention was that screenshot of chat session. I personally would never deal with a person who has such attitude with his customers.
I did not want to start any arguements with 12 year olds but since you are attacking, flamming me "personally" I will do what i think is right. Once again i advice you to stay out of this because it isnt going to make things better but worse for you. You have nothing to do with the transaction and i appriciate your time you have spent here defending your friend or who ever that is but i have not seen anything from you that can stop OP from calling your friend a scammer

 

tootrue I'm not going to bother with you any more. Your lame excuses to try and clear Ruebens name are pathetic.

So if I am correct, this is what your saying, I'll go and take $300 from someone, don't do any work and when that person files a dispute against me, I'll refund him $200 keeping $100 for my self. And I'll post on the forum, it says case closed! I'm innocent!

tootrue your a pathetic liar, why don't you do some thing better with your life.

hmmm this is interesting.. let me see... Guys you will wanna see this

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/search.php?searchid=2258047

This is your first post. "$700 here Btw do you accept paypal or egold?"
Why ask this when Reuben is a very very good friend of yours and you can ask him on the phone or pm him? You seem as you have never met the guy in your life, shouldn't you know this already? Lets continue shall we.

Second post. "$740 here Thanks"
Now if a good friend of mine was selling his network, wouldn't he come to me first and ask me if I wanted to buy?

Third Post. "I'll go $800".
Very strange that you continued to bid but never actually bought the site. And you are a very good friend of Reuben, arn't ya?

Bidding on someones auction with no intention to buy is against the rules and is unfair on other people. You should know that shouldn't ya?
Very funny how you asked simple questions like "Do you accept egold or paypal" you two are such good friends surely you would know if he would have accepted paypal or egold. I mean you did say how you and him sold and bought sites together etc.

I'm not making any conclusions here or am I...

I'm sure there is a simple explanation for this tootrue, isn't there?
Not knowing if your friend Rueben accepts paypal or egold. I thought you guys were business partners, sold sites to each other, bought sites together. hmmmmmmmmm.... lemme guess you had a mild case of amnesia..(Sarcasm)

I think there is enough negative vibes in this topic. Once again tootrue, you were not in the transaction nor do you know what happend. I would advise you to stop posting, your only digging your self deeper as you can see from above.

Thank you

James

 

Interesting I hope that tootrue will now learn a lesson even though i advised him in the begining that he is doing nothing but ruining his reputation here and he just did Let Reuber come here if he would and defend himself

 

Another accusation to your list, eh? This is getting silly. If you read the entire thread, I say on several occasions that I often buy things from Reuben, and he often buy things from me. Why is that a surprise to you? All that proves is that I wanted to buy something Reuben was selling. What's wrong with that?! You obviously don't understand what people think when they are selling valuable products. Nobody would give their friend first refusal at a knockdown price just because they know them that's a stupid thing to say. All that proves is that I had to bid just like anyone else does. That's only fair surely? The reason why I didn't get the site is because Reu received a PM bid which was higher than my bid. Understand that? Highest bidder wins the auction? Not a difficult concept to grasp.

I never once said we were business partners - this is another straw man you've created. You've even quoted part of my statement that proves my point.

"sold sites to each other"

That's correct! Why is that difficult to understand?

All this blind accusation aside, it still doesn't get away from the fact that you are ignoring all the evidence presented to you. THERE ARE NO OPEN DISPUTES. Here:



There is no hole-digging here. James, what you're doing is against the rules and you know it. There is NO claim. You're fabricating a claim, gaining immediate popular backing, and then using that as grounds to maintain the fallacy. You're hoping to get another refund when another refund isn't entitled as you've already been refunded. Look at EVERY screenshot I have posted and you will clearly see that you have received all of your money back. You're using every trick in the book to try and get more money out of somebody who doesn't owe you anything. You've tried out and out lying, you've claimed conspiracy, you've claimed personal attack, you've claimed there are more funds to be refunded than is the case, you've tried insulting me, you've tried defaming Reuben. None of these counter the screenshots I have posted which 100% show that THERE IS NO DISPUTE.

You've tried to put countless straw men between parties involved to deny talking about the real issue here. The real issue is that you claimed a refund when a refund is not entitled to you, and you one hundred percent knew it wasn't entitled. You knew when you wrote the thread "Scammed out of $60" that you weren't telling the truth. It doesn't matter whether you accept my argument or your argument, either way the original post is a fallacy.

David