Save Islam: Another ATTACK by Non-Muslims against our Holy Quran & Islam... :(

Incorrect. This translation is correctly sourced from a respectable web site with numerous translations by islamic scholars.

What you are offering is a watered down translation with additional words inserted to be more palatable to Westerners and obscure the true meaning.

Silas, from Answering Islam talks about this here in one of his classic rebuttals:

http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Silas/beating_badawi.htm

Incorrect. I've sourced my material. Simply stating it's mistranslated while offering absolutely no compelling source to backup your assertion doesn't make it a bad translation. If you are so sure it's a bad translation, you should contact the source (which was composed by muslims) to correct them.

Starting to see the pattern here? The classic translation card. Complete with absolutely no authoratative source or reference to anything other than your opinion. This is why I source my material.

I strongly disagree. Jesus never murdered anyone and preached a message of peace. I know you are not going to tell me that mohammad did. There is no comparison.

As for reverting, you may be interested in knowing that every year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity.

Indeed, war. That is what islam is about. The purpose being, of course, until every non-believer is converted to islam.

Indeed I do. I suspect Buddhists and Christians in Thailand who are being beheaded and killed almost daily and what few, if any Christians that are left in Darfur see what's wrong too.

I don't need to learn Arabic. The texts have been properly translated and are distributed by organizations like CAIR here in the US. In fact, CAIR distributed the real quran that called Jews apes and pigs and was banned in the Los Angeles School District.

The problem with the translation card is, it can easily be refuted with sources, which I've provided, while typically the user of the translation card rarely, if ever (such as you've demonstrated) offers any source for verification. Additionally, if one must learn Arabic in order to be a real muslim, then there would be no need for an English translation. As such, by the standard you set forth, any muslim who does not learn Arabic in order to read the quran, is not a real muslim because he/she cannot have the true meaning.

We're not your average, easily confused infidels here.

 

Nope. I have confirmed it from scholars.
You can refer to this website:
http://www.submission.org/Q-T.html
And if you don't believe me, learn Arabic.

Nor did Muhammad (PBUH) murder anyone except in war. Ignorant nations don't change to what you see today, under such a person. And please don't expect me to believe those sources of yours. Everyone knows Islam is the fastest growing religion. And two-thirds of the reverts are females.

There were hardly any wars at that time. And those that were, they were in retaliation.
And see what this man has to say: http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...241&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

I don't believe Muslims are doing that. And IF they are, at least that not what Islam teaches them. Nor can you judge Islam with what they do. Come to Pakistan and see what the true Muslims here are doing to bring terrorists to reality.

I don't care what CAIR says. And I proved to you that the verses you referred to about apes and pigs were referring to them being cursed to be transformed into apes and pigs. DID NOT call them. And believe me, my knowledge is beyond your propagandas. Though I don't know complete Arabic, Urdu and Arabic are related languages.

 

God save the world from Islam and we'll be a big, huge step closer to peace in this world.

 

do you really think so? what about the jews?

 

They aint danger for the world...

 

That's the cause of islams problem, hate...

 

really? i must have had another dream last night

 

It was probably a nightmare "the jews are coming"

 

Not really.. I dont think you had any Dream last night, because you always live in a dream...

 

Incorrect again. Though I always appreciate when someone refers to this site. Many suggest islam=peace. It doesn't. It means submission, as illustrated by the site above.

You can refer to the site in this post, complete with translations from numerous scholars, which is what you take issue with. You seem to be suggesting that you (alone) are of higher status than the scholars of time that properly translated the quran. That's a fairly big ego. Are you suggesting these historical islamic scholars are liars?

Likewise, don't expect me to believe your sources. mohammad did nothing but murder, loot, rape and cause great pain and suffering to anyone who didn't convert to islam.

Two-thirds are female? Did we just make that number up? I've sourced my material. Once again, you have not.

Six million leave islam per year (and it's probably more than that)

Hardly any wars? Let's see what wars islam stirred up until Chrisitans finally had enough and started fighting back:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/the_truth_about_islamic_crusad.html

Whew, quite a history lesson, eh? "hardly any wars?"

It doesn't matter what you don't want to believe. The fact is, it's happening at alarming rates. It's happening all over the world. Wherever the quran goes, blood flows. Tell me it's not happening in Darfur? Take a look at the "attacks list" here and tell me it's not happening?

It's not about what CAIR says, it's about what they did. They got caught red-handed sending out truthful qurans that refer to Jews as apes and pigs. You might want to drop this one. I have references (including recent ones) lined up a mile long. You'll have a lot of explaining to do, unless you take the easy way out by suggesting "what they are saying is not islam." Yeah, right, how many times I've heard that one.

 

I'm not saying they're liars. But they translated it carelessly.
For example, the verse which you refer to saying "Don't make Jews and Christians your friends", the word used here is "Wali" which means such a friend from whom you keep no secrets and no differences and completely trust ie the highest level of friendship. The word for just friend is "Habib".
And refer to Quran [60:8] for friendship between Muslims and non-Muslims.

I can explain everything by explaining the Arabic of it but I don't have that time. Nor are you going to read carefully.

17% of Muslims in US are converts. Are there forceful conversions there?

I said, hardly any wars at the time of the Prophet.
Why haven't you read this verse?
" Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidence, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!" (TMQ, 5:38).

The last link doesn't work. And I told you, the verses could have been misunderstood. In those verses, God says that He cursed some mischievous Jews and Christians to be transformed into apes and pigs.

And by the way GTech, I know my religion and really love it. If you haven't understood it and say bad stuff about it, it will not make a difference to my faith. And nobody forced these 22 Australians to believe in Islam the way I do.

Peace.

 

There's that "mischief in the land" nonsense again.

And Muslims wonder why so much murder happens in their religion.

 

God knows for sure who is mischievous and who is not. And He will do justice with anybody who makes an unjust decision in this regard. On the Day of Judgment.

 

That's not what the verse says.

It's says it's okay to kill someone if it's in the case of murder or mischief in the land.

It has nothing to do with God punishing anyone. It has to do with a person punishing another person for murder or mischief in the land.

So if you commit "mischief in the land" according to that verse there's nothing wrong with killing you.

If you don't know what constitutes mischief in the land that's your problem. You should have stayed off the grass.

 

I don't have further time to give you references, but the decision of mischief in the land is not personal. It's in the land, meaning the people of the land have to decide.
Mainly it refers to rape.

 

www.geocities.com/masad02/


explains all verses you posted in detail and shows their reasons

the Quran explictly codems the killing of innacent people and when you talk about killing innacent people
the west has killed far more people then muslims

GW1-2

gulf war one - United states supplies shah of Iran with weapons and gets booted, so they encourage saddam to do their dirty work and invade Iran,

Sadam goes awol and attacks quwait starting gulf war 1

United states supplies and arms mujahadeen (but makes sures only the extreme people are armed leaving moderates to arm them selves)

Gulf war 2 United states invades Iraq again

ect

when it comes to it thanks to the lust for power and greed the west have done alot of damage and caused alot of death.

 

its innocent...

 

Thanks, I'll stick with the University of Southern California, where the verses I quoted come from, composed by muslims, over an anonymous link on geocities.

Infidels (the dirty kafir) are not innocent. The quran specifically talks about killing infidels. Suggesting otherwise, in the face of solid information that confirms so, is simply denial.

This is why many muslim leaders will issue a "blanket statement" (like those AGS and gworld use, often) saying they condemn the killing of innocent people, when islam strikes again. Rarely, do they (the muslim leaders) condemn the act itself, but just casually mention "innocents." Of course, the mainstream media eats this up, but they don't realize that these "muslim leaders" do not consider the infidel "innocent."

 

Oh oh oh, judging from your posts you must be an Indian. You people are still holding on to the Hinduism rope. Before no time Hinduism will vanish since idol worshiping is illogical. You cant hide and support America and Christianity forever.

Every post of yours is supporting Christianity but why don't you start arguing about Hinduism and Christianity. I think bcuz you know you will easily be defeated.

Indians are hiding behind america like a boy hides behind his mommy when he's going to be beaten.

Bytheway, No offence

Cheers,
Sherlock

 

Why are you guys so mean to the Indians?
And where is webmaster supporting Christians? Maybe he sees that what you are saying is just wrong so he is defending the truth. It doesn't matter what religion you are you should defend the truth. Truth is a core to Christianity, satan is the father of lies.