Saudi woman arrested for witchcraft by "religious police" sentenced to death

She was convicted of causing impotence through magic. So unless she caused his impotence, Specifically through magic, This is nothing but an utter injustice. For her to be guilty it must be possible to cause impotence through magic, Not the suggestion of magic, Specifically through, And directly as a result of, magic powers.

if she was convicted of "causing impotence" (where the method used isn't important) it may be possible that she may have dirrectly or indirectly caused his impotence. But that isn't the case.

 

I said that I did not think, I did not say that it was not possible. Just because I think its not possible does not make it a fact. I know that some self proclaimed witches mix herbs together that can make people like zombies from TTX poisoning. Some people in the middle east mix poppy, marijuana and other substance together to poison people. You have listed one article and are now preaching about it. You do not know the facts of the case. Black magic cults exist throughout the middle east.

 

If she poisoned a man she should be tried for that. That isn't what she was tried and convicted of though, And you know it.

I'm having a hard time understanding how you could support the execution of a woman for a crime you "think" isn't physically possible to commit. How does that work?

 

she puffed a dust on him and he became impotent. this is possible, If he believed that she has the power. Then we can question if she threaten the man with magic.
the guy walks in the bank with a fake gun and asks the manger if he can get him 5000 dollars.
can we convict the man of robbery since he did not threaten the bank manager and did not have a gun.

 

Can you provide more sources? You have sparked my interest today.

 

me too. i can have fun with this.

 

I'm willing to say it. I've had a witch curse me with ED, so I know it can happen. Luckily, I was able to go to my local shaman and get a powerful talisman to break her awful curse. It came in the form of a little blue stone with the magic word "Pfizer" engraved in it...

 

It was you who brought up the claim that "Some people in the middle east mix poppy, marijuana and other substance together to poison people". I'm saying that if she did poison him she should be tried for poisoning him, Not possessing magic powers.

My point remains that magic powers don't exist and the conviction for the crime of possessing magic powers is a travesty of justice.

I don't think you understand how the legal system works. When you are on trial for something you have to have done specifically what the charge states. If you are charged with possessing magical powers and you are convicted you actually have to possess magic powers. Not think you have magic powers, Not convince someone you have magic powers, You actually have to possess magic powers.

If she poisoned a man she should be tried for poisoning him. If she took advantage of a man with inferior intellect then she should be tried for mental abuse. If she is convicted of possessing magical powers it has to be shown that possessing magical powers it at least possible, let alone shown that she actually possesses them.

the thread boils down to two points.
1. Is it possible to actually possess magic powers?
2. If not, How can a conviction for possessing magic powers be a safe, lawful, just conviction?

 

what is magic powers? you have to see what is the definition of "magic power" in their law.
first question is that did she cause the man's impotence and the answer could be yes.
the second question is what is the definition of magic.

 

Part of the problem is that they have failed to define what they mean by "witchcraft". If it means "poisoning" then she is guilty of a crime, The crime of poisoning, if it means what we understand it to mean, Yourself included, It would be the possession and use of supernatural powers.

All you are trying to do now is render productive dialogue redundant through obfuscation.

 

Just give the guy floppy dicked guy some Viagra, problem solved.

Anyone advocating witching trials is a lunatic, seriously.

 

There are a lot of crimes in the west that has to do with power of persuasion.
what is the difference?
you can not justify your position and trying to blame me for pointing it out.

 

If i tell someone that i have summoned a horde of aliens to hunt them down and get money out of them i would be tried and convicted for obtaining money through deception, Not for being an "alien summoner". She was tried and convicted for having and using magical powers, Not for tricking someone into thinking she did, Not for poisoning someone, not for taking advantage of a mentally defective man. It was for having magic powers.

I agree.

 

did she say she has magical powers?
can you stick to the actual crime rather than talking about aliens and things. there is no aliens involved. Try to stick to the facts and issues as we know it.

 

It doesn't matter what she said, The courts found her guilty of causing a mans impotence "with her sorcery".

Are you going to challenge the definition of both "witchcraft" and "sorcery" now? Keep digging, we can still see you

 

yes it does. if she claimed to be one and he became impotent as the result of the curse put on him, then she might be knowingly breaking the law of her country. just because you don't agree with it it does not change anything. The only definition that matters is in their law.

 

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Without a fair trial there is no point advancing the rights/wrongs, justice fell at the first hurdle (whether you believe in witches, potions & spells or not)

 

So you are saying that she could possibly have caused impotence through magic? I have to press for an answer to this.

 

I think she might have caused the man's impotence by suggesting to be one and putting a curse on him.
and this makes her one in the saudi arabian law.

 

Is that what you "think" may have happened? Fair enough.. off with her head!

The fact remains, She was tried and convicted of being a witch and causing impotence through magic after accusations of sorcery. If you don't think she could actually be guilty of those specific charges you should, morally, be opposed to the conviction, Let alone the sentence of beheading.