Saudi prince found guilty of murdering servant in hotel

Not being hypocritical - OP is about a gay man killing another - then post #5 the subject totally changed by whom?

You follow up with more 'opinions' based on 'nothing'

Then you tell me 'i'm changing subject' on YOU. HAHAHA.. yup, your logic is very constant i'll give you that. you must have the brain of a gnat.

Normality is not changing the subject at all. It was attempting to help you understand with 'logic' because surely you understand there is no 'normal' - even though you've built your whole flawed argument around it.

After some reflection I apologise if I offended you by calling you names and i'll agree to disagree with you from hereon. I just can't come to terms with your logic and your comment made me have to butt in lol, trying to make you understand (or others who may read in future) and see more than just, IMHO, your extremely flawed logic. It's nonsense, believe me (as you say).

Lastly, I really didn't understand the relevance to Hitler so can't comment there sorry.

 

So when his class mates ask him about his parents and he tells them he got two daddy's while everyone else has a mother. How do you think he will feel? How do you think he will grow up? What about his emotions when other kids make fun of him? What about his self-confidence ? did you take all this into account?

 

No more than getting picked on for having a big nose. Any point of difference is a reason to pick on someone isn't it.
Why single out a gay parent when theres so many other things they get picked on for. They just come to the obvious conclusion the other person is either just a bully, or jealous lol.

 

I gave you one example of the drawbacks that could face a child. I don't mind gay people getting together but I do mind it when they set up a different example for a normal child. When the child grows up and comes to his senses to realize what "Gay" is and its social acceptance, he might be devastated. He will have no friends, no social acceptance and he might even end up being gay due to the circumstances. The biological process of making children involves a man and a woman. Unless, the gay couple can make their own kids, they should not impose any sort of example or behavior to a child who is not capable of making his/her own decisions. There are tons of other consequences; bullying is just one of it. Your argument didn't make sense. Its like breaking someone's car window because they already have a dent on the side, so what difference does it make?

 

What is a 'normal' child? As opposed to a gay one? A spastic one? A black one? a white one? Yellow?
When you realise it wasn't that long ago you were segregated from 'those filthy blacks' - that is now seen as normal isn't it. By not giving a shit about the rules, blacks stood out loud & proud until you whities saw your illogical stance. it's now acceptable for blacks & whites to go to schoool together because people dropped their prejudices and realised how stupid they were. It's the fear of the unknown that drives your continued fear, That's all.

LMAO - does this even deserve a comment? - 'no friends' LMAO again... surely you jest sir. In fact it's just the opposite - everyone wants to know you. Do you know it is 2010?

My argument here was for kids that are already alive and getting ruined by the system in your adoption agencies. Not that I think for one second your argument has any logic.

Umm, my argument is that kids pick on other kids because people let them. Kids pick on each other for having the wrong filling in their sandwich and if you don't pull them up to start with it will continue. Nothing to do with breaking a window.

 

Lots of kids grow up with single parents. What are you going to do, outlaw divorce?

And speaking of that... a couple I know split up when their daughter was about four. After the breakup, the mom got together with another lady. So what do you suggest, that she lose her parental rights?

This is the same argument used just a few years ago by opponents of interracial marriage.

We all get grief in school, it's part of growing up.

 

Gay or straight, I have never seen a person more arrogant than you are. Unfortunately for gays, they have a worst representative in you. You have no control over your behavior and call us stupids and idiots and accuse us of not stating facts. Have you done it for all that you are arguing here? Till now, you have only based your arguments on what pleases you and what you imagine is right no matter what and in the end you, personally, make everyone believe that you are trying to fight for your sexual rights (pleasures) than the larger cause.

Every person is different, there is nothing new in this, but what you are cleverly avoiding is still there are only 2 sexes, that is if you count the 3rd out for a while. We straighties like to grow our children to be straighties. If you take the different route and want to grow them to be like you, I am happy for you because I see that as your contribution to bring an end to this all at some time in the near future.

 

So what do you want, Will? A tit for a tat? IMO, marriage and divorce are rights of two individuals. When they marry, they bury some of the contentious issues in their individual rights and remove them from the hatchets when it's time to split up? Fine, my point is two persons are exercising their individual rights to meet their best ends. This sounds to me like the individuals are more concerned about their personal rights than the collective interests and responsibilities such as growing the kids. I'm not sure what you think, but for me, divorce sure puts the rights of children after yours.

Single gay parents or single straight parents? How does it really differ if it was a single gay parent, either way you have only one sex?

 

I can understand Bushrangers frustrations, he's only fighting over something he thinks is his right which some people are trying to deny them. Personally I have no issues with gay people and in quite a few cases gay couples will make better parents then several straight ones, but then there are many "flamboyant gays" (and from gay parades you see it would seem like all of them are like that) who come across to me as complete idiots wearing chest huggging tshirts with pink shorts and lipstick or superman suits with lipsticks. I can't imagine handing out a child to them to raise. Most probably all of them are not like that but thats the kind you see the most and automatically assume as representative of the rest.

 

Who said racial bullying is over? Until today, people get killed because of their race. You still have "White kids" schools and "black kids" schools. My point is, if the child is straight, you should not impose the homosexual environment on him like it is a natural thing. I believe the kid should at least have the opportunity of knowing what it feels to have a mother and should not be punished by taking that chance from him just because his father prefers to live with men. That is pure selfishness.

 

And there are no flamboyant straights?



Seriously, you're willing to take people's children away from them because of their fashion sense?

Children aren't straight or gay, they are children.

Are you willing to argue equally that "if the child is gay, you should not impose the heterosexual environment on him"? Do you now realize how silly that sounds?

 

First tell me if you equate not handing out a child to someone with taking away someones biological child.

Second tell me if you think its okay to "hand out" a child to them:





Imagine how disgusted the children would be and what kind of upbringing they would receive.

 

OK sorry for the late reply . No time for diplomacy I'll post up a more civilized response later .

1. Bushranger : you're an nitwit when people question a issue you start insulting them . Denotes inteligence

2. I was referring to a gay parade in Serbia being attacked whit firebombs and the gay parade in Bulgaria & Romania being attacked whit stones .

3. I never took a psychology course I took a pedagogy course . General psychology and child psychology where a big part of it .

4. The issue is analyzed thought the data we gathered from single parent families .

5. Will the parent right over the child primes over the state's right over the child . While having two moms isn't the best solution at least the child had the 1st 4 years in a normal family .

6. TBC ...

 

Hellvetti, not everyone shares your homophobic prejudices.

 

Yes, one might note, I've been a DPer for almost 3 years and 'came out' here for the first time this week. I don't flaunt it, I just get upset when some idiot makes an uninformed comment over something that's very close to my heart. It's only their prejudices holding us back.

 

Exactly this is what Helvetti is telling you that you have something close to your heart/you are obsessed with your sexual preference which is not the case for some of us (we the straighties) on a normal day. Sexual preference is not something that bugs us on top of the rest of daily chores.

 

Then you are either:

1. Not a guy.
2. Physically or mentally broken.
3. Dead.

 

Holding you back from what ? You said you already have kids .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_adoption#Oceania

Either you're not from Australia or you can't stand criticism . It's already quite clear that you can't stand decent manners .

 

Simple, I have a pretty ordinary brain that helps me prioritize my daily activities according to my perception of importance of each activity for that day. So, sex almost always falls somewhere in between. So, neither I am broken nor dead.

 

Who could guess Will would be so horny at his age?