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I can't really debate anything you've said, as it has a lot of truth to it. The personal perspective I have on this is just a realization that life is incredibly imperfect. When I grew up, our family life was often extremely turbulent. Out of five of us kids, not one of us managed to stay home past the age of 16 yrs. At that time, and for years before, there were so many problems. I used to think that experience was unique, but in many ways, not really. I've talked to so many friends about this, and it's so rare to find anyone that had a "Leave It To Beaver" type of childhood. So, that's where I'm coming from. I just think as long as the child is loved, somehow, everything else could probably be worked out.

 

It is one hardest of things for me to imagine a kid accepting a man mother as he or she grows up and begins to notice the outlandish situation in his or her family. Regardless of how he/she reacts and perceives this bizarre relationship his/her mother has with his father, the relationship itself is not guaranteed to last a full life as the need to be together is more prone to end for the parents with passing time. It is in many ways different from the normal divorces we see everywhere.

 

Gays are often logical, smart & loving. I'd pick gay parents over alcoholic or abusive straighties any day. From reading this, one would think they're martians.

Whilst you have every right to hold your opinions, you are very wrong. How about trying to involve yourselves in a gay's life to see how much better they are before running your mouth off at something you quite obviously have no idea about.

It's the old blue-eyed people make better thieves Its a bullshit argument that although the facts say very different, red-eyed people don't care about because they're not blue eyed.

Can't you see how stupid & offensive your argument is?

 

It's illogical. How does homosexuality and logic go together? No one is denying their right to choose a type of relationship but how does it make it logical? It is nothing more than the freedom to choose ones sexual inclination which is now being legitimized in certain countries. So? The law could legitimize it but is the relationship normal?

As for picking a gay parent, don't compare onions with garlic. If you want to compare a gay parent worth considering, then compare him/her with a straight, caring, understanding loving straighty.

 

So you stating it's illogical I should take as fact and just give up, when i KNOW different? how about some reasons why you believe it's illogical? You know, include a fact or two?

How does it not? If you base the world population on wanting to expand beyond our means then it's illogical.
If you base it on slowing down population growth, it's very logical.
All depends on which way you look at it?
If you're stuck in the 'it's just wrong' argument then I think you're just stupid. Ask yourself why it is wrong and then ask who made you the judge?

Once you come to the conclusion that any person has a right to do what the fuck they want to do and it's none of your business as long as it does not affect you then you might find some logic. Like I said, you should not hold an opinion on something you know nothing about, now that's absolutely illogical to me.

I'm not naive enough to think or state that every gay relationship needs kids, heck that's why a lot of people turn gay i'm sure lol. BUT I DO know more fuckhead straighties with kids that don't deserve them who simply should not be allowed to breed and I DO HAVE 4 kids (now adults) who love their GAY dad!

I'm in the situation and I know 100% you are wrong and it's people like you with no real knowledge of a situation, basing their opinion on fear of the unknown and baseless opinions, rather than on facts.

The truth is there's a lot of kids out there that you straighties are happy to leave suffering in homes rather than get infected with the gay gene, it's fuckin appalling and downright outrageous that fearmongering should let it happen. Do you really think an adoption home would enhance their life experience or more likely to turn them into an uncaring shit out to take back what the world owes him or her?

Having anybody that shows love to you and is around to guide you through the good and bad times sounds much more logical than a cold adoption home to me. Come to think of it, I think if i had you as a dad, or Apocalype as a mum, i would probably go for the home. A life living in the heel of your 'closed minds' would not be worth it

BTW: ALL MY KIDS ARE STRAIGHT SO IT ISN'T CATCHY, and every one of them have logic!

SO after my rant...I don't think a persons sexuality should come in to the equation, but I think their IQ should.

 

Stupid & offensive huh ? Sensitive spot much ? I'm glad it's offensive and it needs to be . Gays have the wright to get married but they cannot have kids so they should deal whit that 1st . Listen dude , parents that are alcoholic or abusive have their kids taken away from them . There are laws against that . And this days thanks to the digital revolution abuses don't stay bottled in like several decades ago .

You picked the wrong tree to bark but anyway , let us get down to business . A single gay parent might be an option , in my opinion anyone that's single is unfit to be a parent simply because a child needs a minimum of two completely different roll models that he can look up to and bounce back ideas & questions . Kids that grow up whit a single parent always have a big hole inside of them . Also the parent's flaws are embedded in the child behavior .

By placing a child in a gay family your inducing a great deal of confusion . Who will he call mommy ? A harry chested guy whit a deep voice ? A mother's love is something a man can never offer we tend to be far more harsh then a woman . Kids that grow up without a mom dent to lack tolerance and have a far more militaristic attitude towards everything also when they have a internal struggle they will keep it bottled up and let the problem grid into their personality . Eventually the adult can overcome this handicap . But what gives you the right to sentence that child to such a pain .

On the flip-side kids that grow without a dad tend to be grow up overly confident and whit a lack of internal mechanism that allows up to go into full battle mode . This kids will also be far more exposed to aggression simply because there is no one that can stand up for them . A woman will rarely go into a verbal fight or a physical fight .

I could talk hours about this but I'll limit myself here . Trust me on this one . The child mind is far more complex then you can think and every single detail can make a huge impact . By exposing the kid to an environment that's flawed from the begining you're destroing his chance of a better future .

 

What absolute rot. The only thing seriously flawed thing here is you IMHO. Best take a good look at yourself, it's not nice.

And you're basing your opinion on? a bible?

yes to a home, where they're looked after by 'caring' people for eight hours until their shift is over, then someone else takes over for another 8 hours, then someone else, then they go on holidays, and that's the point. There is NO 'family' or 'love' in the atmosphere, it's stale, often uncaring staff looking after them who often go out of their way to spoil them because of their 'horrific' circumstance they've found themselves in. There's no constant in these kids lives. They STAY THERE and get fucked up big time when there are thousands of gays in USA that would love to take them in & help out but fearmongers like you (who as i said DONT BASE THEIR OPINIONS ON FACT BUT IN FEARS) are saying they're best left in a home - how stupid is that?

By giving a child life in the first place he faces confusion, life is full of it. Shit, many of you are still confused. Confusion raises questions, every question gets answered. One learns that with wisdom. Truth & logic comes because of the confusion.

Name two people who have the same opinion...? shit even in the straight world that makes no sense. 2 parents, male & male, 2 different opinions. (& it's role model)

The old 'flawed' logic eh... Which world tells you it's flawed? I would think growing up in your flawed household might not be beneficial to a kid either because your brain is flawed - err, you have blue eyes right? Coz everyone knows they're not the brightest people... that's the attitude you're giving me. no facts, just plain stupidity to not understand love is love, and its good wherever it comes from.

i see no facts in your argument, just baseless opinion of someone thinking they know best for something they have no idea about. you're the one that's barking down the wrong tree. I have facts and love on my side. where you obviously have neither.

 

Dude it seems that you didn't read what I said before about my arguments . In uni you can take course named pedagogy . Guess what we study over there ?

This kind of discussions takes ages even in an academic environment . I find it amusing that when people can't come up whit decent arguments they start spewing insults .

 

I think it's more insulting when someone who obviously knows nothing can claim they went to school to learn that falsehood. Was it the church school? Anyway, I've made my points rather than let you falsely rant your bigotted one-sided argument, now I can let the reader decide who the idiot is here. PS: if you went to uni, why can't you spell?

 

Why don't you man up and trow some real insults ? At least if you're gonna insult someone be funny . Here are some choices : redneck , bible hugger , breeder . Oh wait you said you're where here to argue . Strange , besides attacking another posters words you haven't done anything else . When are you gonna post some decent arguments ?

 

Arguing with an imbecile only takes you to their level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_parenting

Let's argue about facts, not your FALSE opinion and lies.

The fact that you can't spell surely points to the fact you never paid attention in school. A problem with authority perhaps? Or is that just a coincidence you smart person you? Or is it you know all, just not how to spell?

 

Scientific research . Dude you make me laugh . Of course there are no scientific studies on gay couples whit kids , gay's can have kids to start whit . What's next a post about the fact that there is no scientific study of life on the Sun ?

A imbecile quoted by Wikipedia .

And some imbecilic government agency talking about talking about gay research .

Look at single parents cases and you'll see that they have to literally dedicate most of their time to parenting or else the child will grow up like his been abandoned . You can draw experience from there .

Now any other hollow arguments that you want to trow in ?

If you want to find something that might help you you could go into human psychology but there is nothing there that supports your case . Feel free to search it thou . Our general psychology book was published in 2004 maybe there are some new good studies that have some interesting data .

 

So I'm saying I base my opinions on facts because I lived through it...and your opinion comes from...your closed mind? Go figure, you must be right lol. If you could just throw ONE fact at me I could possibly try to understand your flawed assumptions.

Listen, I have been reading, and even enjoying your posts for a few months now, even though they are flawed haha. But this one, I know you are working on plain bigotry or sexism and there can not be any 'logical' defense of your argument. There is NOTHING you can come up with to prove your stance or provide it any credulity. It's a ridiculous argument at best yet the children still suffer daily because people in power have the same fears as you. It's unfair on those kids and I can only hope it's you they choose to rob from when they grow up drug-fucked because noone showed them any love along the way.

Fuck, i live in Australia and watched a documentary about the suffering you American religious folk are purposefully maintaining and perpetuating the suffering of thousands of kids around the US are trapped in orphanages because nutters like you don't want any gays to step in.

Hey, i came from straight parents, did that turn me gay? What makes you think having gay parents will turn you gay? That's 1975 thinking where every gay was a peadophile. Your psychology course (not that I believe you did one, or certainly never passed) will tell you NO, LIFE turns you gay, not your parents!

In my recollection, you try hard to do everything your parents tried to shield you from. Same as any kid. you make up your mind what's right and wrong based on LIFE, not what your parents tell you. Everyone has their own brain and takes the direction that suits them. no matter how much you want to hold your kids hands, they'll go do whatever they want to do. You cannot just turn someone gay!

The strange bit is what parent talks about their sex-life to a kid? I never discussed it with my parents so why would a gay person be any different? Lesson one - this is how to have gay sex?

 

You think right. All else is just rant.

I have no different point of view

Fine, let's argue about facts without calling names as you did. And facts are not what you only believe are right

 

Excuse me sir, you've droppped your brain on the floor.
- that's about as productive as your last post Alevoor.

They say the world is getting smarter but one really questions that when they read threads like this.

 

ROFLAO. Hope your god will forgive you for this ignorance.

 

My God not only forgave me, he just made me a coffee and said thanks for trying to give his people some logic! I hope your God hands you your brain back.

 

Ahh , so that's what this is all about you being gay ? I petty you . I won't claim to understand the love between two persons of the same sex but you're one of the worst possible people to speak for gay rights . One of my best subordinates was a gay guy and he was one of the funniest and wittiest people I know . You on the other side have done nothing but insult the people that posted here . It is no wander that some people believe that most gays are nothing but self-pompous venom spewers .

To top it off you believe that the big issue will be that gay parents will grow gay kids . Not the fact that two average men can never give a child a mother's love . No man has written in his genetic code that he should love his offspring more then anything else .

On the flip-side two average women will offer a child as much protection as a wet tissue . When the child gets beat up by a bully his gonna show up whit his mom ? Will a woman offer the kid deterrence from violence ? Dude you know dam well that a man can incapacitate a woman whit a single blow . And that the child will never learn that he must stand up and fight when needed .

Ya let's deny this kids the right to a fully develop mentally and socially . You mentioned drugs . Where do you think they will turn when their pain is to much to handle ? When they will think that no one understands them ?

 

What you fail to understand is every person is different. We no longer believe that all women are good cooks so they all belong in the kitchen. All men make good mechanics etc. We now KNOW that is wrong and prep-school thinking.

As society grew up (okay so it left a few of you behind) it realised every single person is different. Some women like fixing cars, some men like cooking etc..

Then you take that argument and twiddle with it as much as you need to then you come to the conclusion that only a mother and a father can provide what's required to bring up a well-rounded human being. Oh come on.. are you over 80yo?

These days 'logical', and I'm using that word wisely, people understand that there is no 'normal'. There are nice people and there are idiots (you might know a few). The nice people will bring up their kids as respectable human beings and the idiots will churn out idiots. I don't know any gay idiots but i bet they're out there.

The gay idiots do not deserve to have kids just like the straight idiots, nothing to do with sexuality. But the nice people are nice people (only their sexuality causes you a problem), gay or straight, they should have every right to bring up a kid without prejudice from folks like you.

Unlike you, I have every right to take a stance here because I happen to have lived it. I admit i'm gay (and proud of who I am) but you won't admit you're a righteous idiot and a failed psychology student that can't even spell.

And if you think i'm getting mad at you then you would be right. At no time have you stated facts here. It's just a bigoted argument with nothing behind them. No reasoning, no logic, just spewing your flawed thoughts just to get in the last word.

They're in a fucking adoption home, and you think they're gonna 'develop mentally and socially' there? Listen to yourself! Are you serious or trolling?

 

Ya that's exactly what we where discussing . Normality . Oh wait we weren't , we weren't even talking stereotypes but to you genetic facts and science are stereotypes . But trying to switch the subject is so clever and denotes such intelligence that you just had to do it ?

So , some humans are more equal then others , huh ? Now I wonder who the Hitler was thinking just like that ?