I've never really looked into the full history of the sandbox effect, but I have a couple questions to toss around... Do you think a website as a whole is effected by the sandbox effect, (i.e. everything under www.yourdomain.com), specific folders (i.e. everything under www.yourdomain.com/folder/), or even specific pages (i.e. everything under www.yourdomain.com/folder/page.html)? Could a site that places well for for second tier keywords or keyword phrases be sandboxed if too many links are added all at once to a more well known keyword or keyword phrase? Finally, does anyone have experience where allinanchor:, allintext:, and allintitle: where all top ten for a keyword (just one word) w/o placing top ten for that word at some point? Im interested in knowing because a lot of the adnetwork people are keying one word searches, and Im not seeing many of them move to the top ten (aside from Shawn's "eBay" page.)
I think Shawn said that his ebay page was promoted outside the network as well, and that it had been around for a year or so.
I am #1 for every allin thingy imaginable. Site is about 4.5 months old. A little over 2 million results returned for the main phrase I want. I used to rank in the 600s and am now pretty steady at 74 for the past 2 weeks. Hoping that one day I break free.
I think it would be unreasonable for any search engine to possibly single out pages, unless make they made it web-wide like a sandbox on /links.html pages.. Other than that, it's certainly possible that subdirectories have a greater sandbox effect, but it wouldn't be too hard to test.. Try out 2 angelfire pages with similar content, one with a link to your main domain, and one with a link to a subdirectory, and see if one takes significantly longer than another to get added. This might be slightly unscientific, but maybe we could get a couple people to try it? Anyway.. for hdpt's post.. did you mean "alien thingy" instead of allin thingy? If not.. what's allin ?
couple points.. It wouldn't be hard to single out pages, simply single them out if they are new to the index... adding links from angelfire to a domain and subdomain wouldn't be a solid test because a)the links wouldn't show up until the next link update anyway b)it is only proving a link is being added, not counted towards anything. allin is regarding the following commands: allinanchor: allintext: allinurl: allintitle:
I have noticed that pages that are well optimized and belong to a non-sandboxed site don't rank well after the first crawling. In the second or third crawling though, they go where they are supposed to be. But this 4 + month sandbox is ridiculous in my opinion.
I think sandboxing is per site, not per page. Also, there are a LOT of people in the ad network that rank in the top 5. Even cases where they outrank a company (with lots of links) for their own company name. But generally those people tend to keep those results to themselves I think.
I have moved up to the top 10 for allinanchor,allintext for "fantasy football", but I am stuck around 80 in the SERPs. I do rank well for many other keywords though, both for the homepage (nfl fantasy football, fantasy football projections, etc...) and for pages inside (the forums rank no. 1 for fantasy football forums and I have a nfl draft page where I get a lot of top 10 results). So... I don't freakin know. It doesn't make sense that for "fantasy football" my site doesn't match AIA results, but for most everything else it does. Could the sandbox effect only be for really competitive terms? One other thing, the first site that is lower than me in the SERPs is the 24th AIA listing, which shows the strong coorelation btw AIA and SERPs. I think Shawn's ebay example is different from most of us. This site gets a ton of natural links, so adding a bunch of links through the network might not set off any red flags, the SE's just figure Shawn (well Digital Point) has come up with another great thing. On the other hand many of us don't get a lot of natural links, so when one of our pages gets a bunch of new links that all look the same it does set off the red flag. Maybe?
I know that there has been quite a bit of success w/ the network, I was simply using it as an example for an easy way to add thousands of links quickly. I'm most interested because on the same domain; I'm #1 for a semi-competitive keyword (with matching AIA, AIU, AIT), but with #6 AIA, AIU, AIT for another one word keyword, not breaking into the top 1,000 yet.
It seems to me that the sandbox mode is only for some keywords but not all. My site, online from july has one page that shows up on all the keywords that are on that page, at least a large part of the. For other words it does not excist. The rest of the site seems to be in the sandbox, just one inside page is showing, even on page 1. It is not more, or less optimazed then the others. The only thing I can come up with is that the page was linked a lot. So maybe if the linkage is high enough it could force it's way trough the sandbox. Does that make any sence? Hans
My site is 4 months old, and either #1 or #2 in google.com.au for my major keywords using allin(whatever) but is no where to be seen when googling the keywords. Guess it is sandboxed. Is the allin(whatever) a good indication of where I will be when I am out of the sandbox?
LB- it really depends on where the links are coming from.. You could get AIA #1 by having all the links coming from the same domain, in which case, you wouldn't see that placement..(usually)
I think G is getting smarter and smarter by the day. I too believe that it is most likely a domain/site that is "sandboxed" and the links that point to it (that G knows about) are not allowed to factor into voting in most cases. I have a number of sites that rank #1 AIA and are not in the serps for the main KW. I did have one just pop into the top 1000 (~500) two days ago...that is #1 AIA. The site was first seen in the index a touch over 4 months ago. I am thinking more and more that G is able to figure the number of searches for a particular term and places it into one of two tiers. When the site is <4-6 months old it sure seems like you can't rank for any terms that either do a fair amount of volume or more, deal with a particular sector (real estate, loans, etc), or are very competitive. They have incentive to do this. Limiting new sites' influence in the most competitive and frequently searched areas, decreases the likelyhood that the SERPs will be unduly influenced.
Thanks for the comment. My links are coming from a variety of places. Including, Yahoo, BlueFind, UncoverThenet, SevenSeek, heaps of other directories, some link exchanges, etc.
You may be at something there. Does anybody know a fresh site optimised for a non-english terms si that Google cannot possibly understand? I will start: Site 1 - not sandboxed: registered May 2004, Loaded August, SERPS approx. 12 out off 300 000