Same IP Baclinks disappeared

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by Gazzerman, Jan 11, 2007.

  1. #1
    I have 1000 domains on one server and it appears that many backlinks to other sites on the same server have been delisted for example

    www.just911cars.com links to www.justboxstercars.com on the homepage, a backlink used to be registered with google and msn but now appears to not register.

    Anyone have any ideas? Is it because its the same IP?
     
    Gazzerman, Jan 11, 2007 IP
  2. mr_dean

    mr_dean Peon

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    Same IP or same registrant, probably.
     
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  3. Gazzerman

    Gazzerman Active Member

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    Interesting, I had heard of the same IP delisting, but never of it being the same registrant.

    If I were to make them private of change them in some way so they are different owners / Addresses do you think that would help?
     
    Gazzerman, Jan 11, 2007 IP
  4. wmghori

    wmghori Well-Known Member

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    #4
    why same IP backlinks are getting blocked? This is carzy.

    There are not enough IPv4 addresses available for every website in the world to get unique IP address and IPv6 is not yet implemented worldwide?
     
    wmghori, Jan 11, 2007 IP
  5. trichnosis

    trichnosis Prominent Member

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    search engines checks the site ip adress . i think your links on the same server will not be counted as a backlink
     
    trichnosis, Jan 11, 2007 IP
  6. venetsian

    venetsian Well-Known Member

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    Are you 100% sure about that???

    I sow something similar on my websites -- I have about 60 websites and they are on the same server/same ip .. they have been linking to each other for more than an year now .. at the beginning (the first 6 months) the links of the homepages were visible in google as backlinks, but suddenly (somewhere last summer) they disappeared and they are nowhere to be found.

    I guess you might be right on that one .. this will definately stop link farming with bulk domains ..

    Anyone other ideas, thoughts?

    Cheers,

    Venetsian.
     
    venetsian, Jan 11, 2007 IP
  7. Gazzerman

    Gazzerman Active Member

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    I have heard you can put multiple IP addresses on one apache box, that might solve some issues. Its just a money saver for me right now, but in the future I will separate the domains to separate boxes for server load reasons. Bit of a pain right now :(
     
    Gazzerman, Jan 11, 2007 IP
  8. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    You need a different class C IP address. Google patent talks about linking from the same class C IP and checking the ownership of domains to find owners linking "voting" for their own sites. Nothing wrong with it if you have a legitimate reason to do it, but google can flag your site as a link farm if they think you are trying to manipulate SERPS.

    The chances of two sites "naturally" linking to each other on the same IP address are virtually zero - and with algorithms, they aren't every going to be 100% - they just have to make decisions based on probability.
     
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  9. Gazzerman

    Gazzerman Active Member

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    Gazzerman, Jan 11, 2007 IP
  10. venetsian

    venetsian Well-Known Member

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    Let's make a union .. really .. that's not a bad idea ..

    First .. we all have multidomain web hosting accounts ...
    if we both make a deal between each other .. that:

    - we exchange website accounts i.e. I'll give you to place your website on my web hosting account .. and you give me account on your web hosting .. so I can place one of my websites there ... then we still have our interlinking .. but each website is on different IP Class ...

    This is a cool solution to the backlinking problem .. and the domain whois can allways be changed to "forged" name ..

    Please PM me if you are interested ..

    Cheers,

    Venetsian.
     
    venetsian, Jan 11, 2007 IP
  11. agnivo007

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    Hosting 1000 domains on the same server and most importantly the same IP is a ridiculous decision.
     
    agnivo007, Jan 11, 2007 IP
  12. venetsian

    venetsian Well-Known Member

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    what do you mean?
     
    venetsian, Jan 11, 2007 IP
  13. Gazzerman

    Gazzerman Active Member

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    Please elaborate, what are your suggestions?
     
    Gazzerman, Jan 12, 2007 IP
  14. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    Matt Cutts recently talked about a google bias towards owners with a larger number of sites - the idea being that a person with one site could do a better job than someone with 50 sites.

    Google's algorithm is based on people linking to other sites because they are "good" - not owners linking to their own sites, which certainly isn't unbiased and goes against what good has determined isn't right for their SERP results.

    As I said, if you want to link to a related site you own to get traffic, there is nothing wrong with it - just don't expect google to give you any benefit for an owner "voting" for another site they own. It's not a penalty, just not a benefit for SERPS.

    Putting a mass number of domains on the same IP makes it very easy to flag those domains as possibly being owned by the same person. Google, as a registrar, can check whois data and historical data to confirm same ownership. It is also believed that they simply assume this when you have the same IP or even same class C IP. Aaron Wall also advises that a private whois registration might not be a good solution - that google might even look for patterns such as all linking domains using the same registrar.

    I use a number of different hosts, have separate entities for many, and if I crosslink any, make sure it is 3-way rather a reciprocal. I think each individual website should be evaluated on its own - not discounted because the owner happens to own a number of sites - but google is going to do what they feel is best and you really can't do anything about it - other than making it harder for them to find a relationship.

    Using multiple hosts also allows you to keep a backup copy of each site with another host - and if one host has problems, it is only a matter of changing the DNS to get it back up.
     
    mjewel, Jan 12, 2007 IP
  15. venetsian

    venetsian Well-Known Member

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    Really nice strategy .. I support you 100% with that!!!
    I'm actually implemeting similar strategy but I share same whois info since they are owned by a company.

    Cheers,

    Venetsian.

    P.S. Are you happy with the results and is there significant improvement in the rating doing all this ?
     
    venetsian, Jan 12, 2007 IP
  16. Gazzerman

    Gazzerman Active Member

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    Thanks mjewel,

    I totally agree with your comments. I wonder how google copes with web designer sites, for example, if I am a web designer and I create websites for my customers and then link back to my site via a design link at the bottom of each site, would I receive zero benefit from those sites as the hosting will be on the same box as my main site? If so well thats just plain wrong!
     
    Gazzerman, Jan 13, 2007 IP
  17. venetsian

    venetsian Well-Known Member

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    I have exactly that problem!! I got about 100 client websites and what .. now I have to start looking for new hosting providers to spread them all over the net and pay more(loose more profit) from the whole deal in order to get higher pr .. that simply sux

    Cheers,

    Venetsian.
     
    venetsian, Jan 13, 2007 IP
  18. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    I would have to think it would look like an unnatural linking pattern to an algorithm - most web designers don't provided hosting service, and a link put up by a web designer to another site he owns isn't really an unbiased link. Many sites get credit for such links (like templates) but they usually have the advantage of being hosted elsewhere and having different whois data which makes it a lot harder for a bot to detect. It is also believed that google is now factoring in link location - and footer links are likely treated differently than a link in the middle of a pages content (looks more natural). The more "natural" a link looks, the better the chance of it helping. We all know about sales of footer links at the bottom of a page.
     
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  19. venetsian

    venetsian Well-Known Member

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    Dear Majel,

    I understand your logic and I totally agree with that .. the thing is .. we don't like it, but that's true that such logic can prevent biased linking..

    Nice Comments Bro.

    Cheers,

    Venetsian.
     
    venetsian, Jan 13, 2007 IP
  20. mani

    mani Peon

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    when i start the same thing, i publish 2 directories and exchange a link for both of them one on each other.. And then Google did a really bad thing.. Google cached my one directory pages but with the content of other directory :D lol, then i remove the links of my own websites from all of them , then everything seems to be fine and both of my directories now indexing and getting backlinks

    So whenever you host multiple websites on same server, never exchange a link between them
     
    mani, Jan 13, 2007 IP