am just new to forum, this is my 3rd or 4th post. while reading posts i noticed that many people here complaining that they have many back links but they still not getting better PR and desired serp position. the most common mistake is their believe. many people think that once they get a backlink from a high pr website, that is all enough for deriving G. juice. they started thinking that its the quality link, but that is not. the reason is that the google rank a webpage not the whole website. The inner webpage of a website gets it PR from the main website(juice transfer if script is dofollow). take an example; an squidoo lens gets it pr from Squidoo.com, if that lens is under top100 for a month or two then it will gain PR 2 or 3 but if that lens is buried so deep in squidoo, never expect that it will get a PR1 even. so the conclusion is that; change ur mentality about back linking, if u write an article or lens or hubb for backlink purpose then do something so that their respective sites will give them more google juice and ultimately it will we transferred to ur webpage, you must know how to utilize the sites PR. also try to get some backlinks to your backlinks. according to me directory submission is complete wastage of time, have u ever check the PR of the webpage from a directory which links to you? do it now, and ask yourself a question, how can Google transfer juice to me when the webpages linking to me have no PR?(me=ur webpage). so always check ur words when u say"i already gain so many one way quality backlinks from an authority website"
The reason that many say they have lots of inbound links and yet no PR or PR0 is that they truely don't understand Page Rank. It's this 'thing' they think is magic that Google just gives you or takes away at their own will. But this is not the case. I can have a URL with 1,000,000+ links, but my URL will STILL not have PR: 1) if my URL is not in Google's index or 2) if all of the pages linking to my URL are either not indexed or NOFOLLOW links People automatically think, "I spammed 1000 blogs with comments and submitted to 1000 directories. I should be at least PR4." But out of those 1000 blog comments, probably 998-999 where NOFOLLOW links so they don't pass your site PR. Of the 1000 directories where you're site was submitted probably 995 or so of the pages where your link actually appears in the directory are not even indexed. Google has been devaluing directory links recently, so this spam technique is no longer as effective as it once was. Ultimately it comes down to spam and Google's efforts to fight it. As long as spammers and SEOs are farming links unnaturally by 'planting' links on other sites back to theirs, they will be at risk of seeing all of their work go up in smoke. It is those techniques that get abused by spammers and SEOs, so it is those techniques that are most often the target of anti-spam changes to the Google algorithm. Google wants you get links naturally. And by naturally I mean that other sites link to you of their own free will... NOT farming your own links by 'planting' links on other sites pointing back to your site yourself.
This info was helpful it explains why I am having trouble getting much bounce from my backlinks I am going to get some backlinks for my back links I am learning alot from you guys thanks again.
every newbie must know such things. advance seo masters always have a handy tool to check whether comments reply is dofollow or nofollow. i already stated directory submission is a complete wastage of tym, they will only increase quantity of backlinks, which is effective only if you have a very weak niche. if you get three or four articles linking to you, your links will never b considered as link farming and you will never trigger the g alarm. 100% wrong, you wrote every thing right but i dont agree with that "free will" phenomenon. google wants you to promote your site online as well as offline, you must download webmaster guideline published by google and which is available for free. where google explains how to promote your site in a right way. free will are given to huge website like facebook, myspace etc, not for the one who own a web with less than 100 pages by still they have sufficient information. we have to promote our website, after that we can only think about getting natural links or free will links which will be most probably without any anchor text.
95% of the people trolling these forums are SEO newbies and no they don't know such things. They read that blog commenting and directory submission is a way to get backlinks and they run off and try it with no positive results. Do you know how many posts I've seen here and on Google's help forums in the last month alone related to follow vs do follow, how to tell if a link is a do follow link, etc.? Unfortunately about 1% or less of the people who 'claim' to be SEO masters are. Most people who claim to be SEO masters and who do contract SEO work know just enough to be dangerous. They've learned a few simple concepts and buzz words and see it as an opportunity to make some easy money because it's such a secretive, misunderstood trade. I was not stating that doing so would trip some Google penalty or Google filter. I'm saying that Matt Cutts and crew react to what spammers are doing. When blogs first came out, their comments were ALL do follow links. Once spammers realized this and started abusing it, Google reacted by telling sites they'd be penalized if they were caught allowing comments linking to "bad neighborhoods". They told webmasters that to avoid this they should 1) NOFOLLOW comments or 2) moderate they blogs to insure that they are willing to vouch for the link. If they allow a link to a "bad neighborhood" they are now subject to penalty as well. Directories have been targeted recently. Google is dropping a lot of directory pages from their index because they have been abused by spammers. They are too easily used by spammers and SEOs to manipulate the SERPs. Paid links and other techniques of manipulating the SERPs have also been targeted in recent years... either through algorithm changes or by creating Google Webmaster Guidelines prohibiting them so that when they do catch someone selling links, they can penalize or ban them. This will continue to be the case... But links recieved naturally (not using techniques used by spammers for farming links) are almost never effected by changes to Google's algorithm. I have heard Cutts say this on several occassions in person... They do want links to be natural, not farmed... This is why Googlers will almost always respond with "write unique and compelling content" in response to the question, "how do I make my page rank at Google?" The compelling is in reference to compelling visitors to want talk about your content to their friends, compelling other webmasters to want to link to your URL, etc. There are lots of ways to get backlinks without farming them using common spam techniques like blog commenting, article submission, forum sig spamming, article submission, etc. Unfortunately, they require marketing skills and sales skills which is not something most webmasters possess as they are typically more technical in nature. So the webmaster looks for a more technical solution to their problem... - Running some existing article they stole off of another site through some content/article spinner that changes the words around so it's not considered duplicate. Then they republish them on submission sites to farm links... - Using directory submission software to mass submit to many directories to farm links... - Running software to spam emails to other sites asking for links w/ some form email. etc. They don't typically sit around and look for synergies between their site/business and other sites/business, get on the phone with them or meet face to face to sell the other company on how their visitors could benefit by having a link back to your site.... The best SEOs I have met possess excellent marketing skills... but are not necessarily that technical. Yes it requires some level of technical skills because you are frequently dealing with developers and talking about code... but primarily it is a marketing based skill-set. After all, the goal of SEO is to market the site online, not to write super clean code using the coolest new development tools. The most skilled link development firms do this offline. That is how you get the link from a PR6 or PR7 relevant sites... Those sites aren't going to let you 'plant' a link there. They have to be convinced or sold on the idea that a link to your site is going to benefit them and their users in some way.
SEO is a form of marketing of course. It really doesn't need a whole lot of tech knowledge, just the basics are enough. Plus SEO is not really that complicated. It consists of three things pretty much: Good content On-page SEO Backlinks from related sites. Instead of running for getting links from high PR sites, i think its better getting links from sites that are related.
This thread is exceptionally good and I think what you guys are saying is that looking for magic bullets is no substitute for common sense and empathy for the visitors to your site. I've never seen the good in blasting links all over the net if the end result is a disappointed person who clicked your link, you know? Also, it can be tricky figuring out how to approach other webmasters without being shunned as a grabby-type person but it's certainly worth it to establish some level of relationships with other webmasters. I think relevancy is what Google's going for in terms of links, not just interlinking niche websites but also making sure that if the link is outside the subject realm of a site it's still relevant to the link the site's giving.. example: A site about gardening that links to another site about cars to point out the difference is truck bed sizes that would be relevant to gardeners who haul a lot of things around.
Good stuff but its all pretty common knowledge. 'Advanced SEO Masters' aren't the only people who can tell a dofollow from a nofollow, it doesn't take a genius to install firebug or something similar. p.s. Don't go slagging all the newbies on this forum off, you were once one yourself and asking questions on this forum is the best way to learn so keep spreading your knowledge if you have so much of it.
Yeah good posts always agreed on all of this. The people that have posed in this thread reminded me of the kind of mentality and information that I read in the good SEO books I have read. I have to admit, reading this forum the past week nearly changed my mentality, heaps of people just saying submit everywhere, get thousands of links blah. So thanks for setting my mind back to its original state, if you could please I need some advice on how heavily URL's are weighed in, before i tell my developer to change the format they are produced. Lots of category and product pages on my site, so URL's look like index.php?page=subcategorylist&catid=14 index.php?page=gamelist&catid=14&subcatid=29 index.php?page=gamedetails&gid=25 Thanks for your input.
well this topic has gone so far, i begin to talk about only those people who already submitted and seeing many back links on index page but not getting any desired results on serp and pr. the offtopix posts and everything is here, no matter coz am also the part of criticism here, i know am not the best but just wanna help people to come out of the pit.
I do have a lot of backlinks listed in my web master tools, but I guess google hasn't updated pr since then.
Totally agree. Just keep to good, fresh content in niches that are profitable and you can only expect good results. The more 'helpful' and 'quality' content you have, the more natural linking it will gain, thus making your SERP better.
it does not need an advanced seo master to know dofollow from nofollow. any body can use firefox searchstatus addon for that.
those are not the actual back links, type link:domainname.com the inbound links which google thinks that they are, will b listed. so if you found links their, check the pr of those links,
A really good thread on PR. What i would like to see is an example (real or fake, doesn't matter) on the method of getting these ellusive high value links. Can someone write down a couple of examples of the sorts of things they do to obtain these? I think a lot of newbies (including myself) may feel a little lost when it comes to contacting other webmasters to put a link on their site if they don't really know the good practices of getting success from this method. I personally could see it would be fairly easy to get some reciprocal links, but one way links could be more difficult to come by. Justifying the benefit to the other webmaster of linking to your site without a reciprocal is what i struggle with. Your advise would be appreciated.
This is what happend with me n my friend. we started the blog about the same time and after a month he had more backlinks than me. But after the PR update my blog was updated to PR2 and his was on PR0. I was quite surprising but i am very happy with the result.
This is an eye opener for many newbies. But I am still confused if google counts no-follow links..?///
pete1980: I think, when it comes to one-way links, the key is to go to a completely non-competing website. Pick a site that could use some more explanation to a topic your site is about. Ex: You have a site about flowers... go to a romantic techniques website and ask if they'd like to link to your 'flower meanings for lovers' page on your flower site. Just my perspective!