Russia provides 10 MiG fighter jets to Lebanon for free

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  1. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #21
    Both the US Navy and Israel are on high alert and the chances are slim that an attack would succeed.
     
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  2. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #22
    True. They can't even aim rockets while hiding behind women and children to fire into Israel.

    Will just give Israel some new targets the next time hezbollah starts another war with Israel. That should be pretty soon, as they are probably about to suspend those non-existent hudnas like Hamas recently did, now that they have had time to re-arm themselves. Typical muslim strategy...call for a cease-fire/truce, to give them time to re-arm themselves to attack again. I'm sure Israel knows the pattern by now ;)
     
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  3. hostlonestar

    hostlonestar Peon

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    #23
    Why did you have to generalize muslims like that? It took away from an otherwise good post.
     
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  4. imad

    imad Peon

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    #24
    The so called women and children shield used always by the illegal state of Israel has been proven fake in several occasions and one was in 2006, when Israel bombed again a women and children shelter in Qana, using the excuse that Hezballah fighters have been there, Human Rights Watch investigated the incident and found that there was no fighter there or even close to there, of course there is an interest for Israel to cowardly attack women and children always, which can be summarized in three major points:

    1- destroy the resistance determination in Hezballah fighters since the main reason for their fighting against Israel is to protect their people, specially after so many Israeli massacres against civilians, of these the famous Sabra & Shatilla, so Israel is telling them, no need to fight because we still can target civilians as we used to in the past, so your resistance is useless.

    2- to claim that these civilian victims been used as shields, and to make the resistance look in a bad image in the world eyes, but anybody who knows about Israeli long criminal history knows that they targeting civilians was and is a policy for such terrorist state, even when there was no armed resistance, the also known Dier Yasin massacre is a proof.

    3- to push the local people into stop their emotional support to the resistance by trying to convince them that victims fall between civilians because of the resistance, and if resistance stop there won't be civilian victims, so try to force them to stop resisting.

    as for Hamas and the so-called Hudna/truce, since this truce started Israel violated it 198 times, and killed 28 Palestinians, and one major violation on that truce is they kept the ports closed for most of the time despite the agreement said that they should be open, so actually, with or without a truce nothing has been really changed for the people of Gaza, it been an open air prison, before and after the truce,

    besides any occupied nation has the right to resist the occupier, and this includes their right to obtain whatever arms that can help them to resist.
     
    imad, Dec 21, 2008 IP
  5. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #25
    Just do a rough extrapolation of what happened during the 6 Day War and the number of fighter planes Israelis' fighters down. I guess if they really aim it at Israel, the 10 Mig 29s wouldn't last quite long. US Navy wise, hopefully there won't be any freak accidents of being hit by old aging missiles, or I guess they should be quite safe. Mig 29s are good but they aren't state of the art.


     
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  6. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #26
    Like what? I'm not sympathetic to terrorists (hamas and hezbollah) nor those that support them. Let's not play the "make terrorists and their supporters victims game", please.

    Islam for Infidels


    Wrong. Not only was it proven true, but the United Nations (finally) took note of it as well. They hid, like cowards, behind women and children and fired rockets from civilian locations. This was discussed in-depth at the time, complete with substantial sources to prove such. No rewriting of history, or taqiyya/kitman can change the facts.
     
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  7. hostlonestar

    hostlonestar Peon

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    #27
    imad your hate boils over in your post, lets try to keep that out of here.

    gtech, I was referring tol your comment about typical muslim tactics, as not all muslims are terrorists or terrorist supporters.

    And imad, I can understand your hate though, Israel whooped the whole regions butts, and yours is still sore. Get over it. Religion is just an invention of man. If you opened a bible you would see its quite similar to the quran.
     
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  8. imad

    imad Peon

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    #28
    the human shield myth that the illegal state of Israel always try to sell, and use as a cover for their true nature in targeting civilians to put pressure on resistance:

    source

    are HRW & Amnesty anti-Semitic?

    Let's assume that what you say is true (which is not) but for the sake of the discussion, lets assume for a moment that Hezballah was using human shields, did IOF care? they bombed without really caring about any civilian, so why would Hezballah or Palestinians keep using such tactic when it does not work?

    I m like Gtech except I know who is the terrorist, I'm not sympathetic to terrorists (Israel and Zionists) nor those that support them, specially when they themselves admits it and find no moral problem in terrorism as means of war, and even describe it as something traditional.

    not that they needed to admit to be terrorists, their actions are clear for anybody with eyes and mind, the list I posted earlier is just an example about the relation between Zionism and modern terrorism.
     
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  9. bogart

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    #29
    Hezbollah is not a resistance organization. They have a common goal with Hamas, Syria and Iran to destroy Israel.
     
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  10. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #30
    Hezbolla is a resistance movement? They are a proxy army serving their masters in Iran. The lebanese government doesnt want to start wars with isreal and it doesnt matter what the lebanese government want because hezbolla recieves their orders from syria and iran and they could care less about whats good for lebanon. I dont call that a resistance army at all.
     
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  11. imad

    imad Peon

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    #31
    whether a resistance or not, winning a war against the most powerful & modern army in the middle east does not make Hezballah an army, it's still a militia, and they are Lebanese, who own their decision, and do not wait orders from US government.

    and as a Lebanese people, Hezballah decided not to get orders from US, or Israel, and made it clear for Israel, if you cross borders, you will be warned, if you cross borders again, you will be hit, now who's problem is it, if Israel decided to cross borders?

    If there are others in the region like Iran and Syria who do not accept orders from US or else, it does not mean they are Hezballah's masters.

    and would Hezballah wait for US to tell Israel a shy "please withdraw" the world told them to withdraw from west bank and also the UN, did they withdraw? they think they are above the law, and Hezballah 2000 fighters showed them that power and most advanced weapons are not the only factor to win a war, you need to belong to the land, and to have a cause, which of course no Israeli has.

    so we better say thanks for Hezballah heroes, the freedom fighters who has a cause that is strong enough to make them able to win a war against the strongest army in the mid east, 2000 fighters against 40,000 IOF terrorists who do not hesitate even to bomb civilians,

    thanks Hezballah for liberating Lebanese South soil from the dirt of the Zionist occupation, it is Lebanese lands, not Iranian or Syrian which they liberated ;)
     
    imad, Dec 22, 2008 IP
  12. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #32
    They are receiving their orders from the motherland IRAN and they showed it when they turned their own weapons on the lebanese people until their demands were met and part of those demands were forcing the lebanese government to settle and give hezbolla their veto power which they forced on the people of lebanon. Trading one master for another still makes them slaves and they are not doing the will of the lebanese people.
     
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  13. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #33
    IMHO Hezbollah is definitely not a voice for Lebanon, they are a proxy for the Iranians. Winning a war against Israel? When did that occur? Shooting a few missiles at civilians and you call that winning a war? I would feel ashamed if I were them. For war, you go face to face with the enemy, in the trenches, in the battle fields, fight against the Israeli armies like a man! What is the use of killing innocent civilians and being so proud of winning a "war"? This comment applies to the Israelis' forces bombing and demolishing innocent civilians' houses.

     
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  14. imad

    imad Peon

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    #34
    1,200 dead Lebanese, mostly civilians, and more than 160 dead Israelis, mostly soldiers.

    will say who is really targeting civilians.

    so who is really killing innocent civilians? knowing that Hezballah rockets are not as "smart" as the modern Israeli rockets and bombs.

    and who is threatening civilians?

    source

    is this how a man fights?

    Hezballah is one of the many voices in Lebanon, and for sure there is no voice there who speaks on behalf all Lebanese, yet they are supported by a big base of Lebanese people, specially in the South because they did what the Lebanese Government failed to do since long, which is mostly liberating the South from the Zionists.

    Hezballah won the war of course, not as you try to say because the shooting of few rockets, ( btw - seriously! are you that much ignorant?) its because Israel did not achieve the goals they put for their new 2006 aggression, same as they won before in liberating the South from Zionists.
     
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    #35
    Lebanon is a rich country - Russia would not give away its best aircraft units to Lebanon for free.
     
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  16. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #36
    IMHO Hezbollah did not win the war, they are not even brave enough to engage the main Israeli forces to any battles. What they had so far done was to fire on civilian targets hundreds of miles away. Attacking isolated outposts of Israeli military and kidnapping isolated soldiers. Nothing more than that.

    If Israel is really targeting the Lebanese civilians, Lebanon would be flat and lifeless by now. But in contrast Hezbollah were wantonly firing missiles into Israel regardless of civilian casualties.


     
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  17. imad

    imad Peon

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    #37
    I m not sure where do you get your info from but it looks like you are repeating what Israeli propaganda says without doing any effort to find truth, which is so easy to find, just watching this Israeli tank while being hit, will tell you that Hezballah fighters were brave enough to have a real engagement with the enemy, unless if you are going of course to repeat again what Israeli propaganda say, and say its fake, or it been shot by mistake:

    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1191351/destroy_a_tank_tadmeer_dbaba/

    by the way, they do not have tanks, they are men with medium weapons who engage with tanks, and I m sure dropping bombs from sky on civilians, is not a brave engagement.

    I think you know too that Hezballah did not capture Israeli soldiers on Lebanese lands by shooting rockets on civilians?

    and by logic, IOF could not advance and keep on their positions, and destroy Hezballah despite they bombed Southern Lebanon with millions of bombs,

    I will leave you with some of what you consider brave engagement:

     
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    Lexiseek Banned

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    #38
    Imad, why are you so convinced violence is a solution?
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #39
    As you can call what I said a repeat of the Israeli propaganda, the same can be said of what you have posted, Iranian/Hezbollah propaganda. Dropping bombs from the sky on civilians are definitely cowardly. So is firing rockets indiscriminately against civilian population. Some sort of the pot calling the kettle black.

    Sure of course not, they fire rockets to kill whatever unlucky civilians to be caught by those inaccurate rockets. Israeli soldiers were kidnapped when they were alone or in small units, small enough to be overpowered by much more numerous bandits. BTW do let me know if the brave Hezbollah took on the 36th Division of Israeli Northern Command.

     
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  20. imad

    imad Peon

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    #40
    Violence breeds violence.
     
    imad, Dec 23, 2008 IP