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Russia + America Relations

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Silver89, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. LogicFlux

    LogicFlux Peon

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    #21
    When you say you live in LA, you mean Los Angeles? Why do you live here? You obviously have a lot of problems with the US, and I don't think you're a citizen, so honestly, you should just leave.
    SEMrush
     
    LogicFlux, Aug 15, 2008 IP
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    Lexiseek Banned

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    #22
    He should go to Russia and join the glorious military he loves so much.
     
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  3. Mystique

    Mystique Well-Known Member

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    #23
    American army is really admirable and my deepest respect goes with them... but Bushie countdown keeps ticking... luckily.
     
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    atvking Active Member

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    #24

    "serve their country" LOL give it a break eh?...none of you are any better off now that the whole world hates you...you were safe all along nobody was going to invade you anyway...you are just an aggressive and paranoid nation that does not care about others...

    a mercenary is a paid gun...you get paid and your enemies do not = they get force drafted over your honest honest politics and fight for FREE ...see the difference between voluntary killing for cash and force draft for free?



    i believe you so much when you say that they do it for flag and country...i really do...i like your collective insanity its very amusing..."serve the country" LOL if you buy that for 1 second...

    they do "Serve" dont get me wrong...its just the best financial interests of your masters/owners that they serve...its not like they are saving any american lives or anything LOL...paid apparatus for physical violence nothing more nothing less...

    shame on the USA for acting like a scared little biotch when it is such a big and mighty country...for such a huge country you sure have small balls...i dont see other countries (except israel) tripping out so much over "national secutiry" and all the other "preemtive" bullshit ...only the USA acts like a scared little kitten and ruins the world for the rest of us...


    oh and if for one second you think the world thinks the US army has balls to bully somebody who can fight back then : AHAHAHAHAAA! its painfully obvious that you attack only the weak...
     
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  5. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #25
    Do you even know who are you speaking to? I am not for the war in Iraq, never have been so you might want to try this childish debate method with someone who is.
    You need a definition of mercenary I see.
    http://www.answers.com/mercenary&r=67
    Just simply because a soldier is paid does not make them a 'mercenary' it would be nice if someone is going to spout off insanity, they at least be factually correct.



    Ahh yes because you would know why our brave men and women sign up for the military sitting outside of this great nation, sure you do.
    They do not get to pick and choose where they are sent, I see you do not see that simple fact. Most of them sign up as they believe in service to their country, they sign up because their family is life long military members, they serve up to protect their nation they DO NOT get to pick and choose where they are sent.
    Shame on you for lumping all Americans simply because of what the administration does. 'small balls, scared kitten' oh give me a break, do you have anything factual or even slightly in this reality to share with us?

    :rolleyes:

    What army might I ask could actually 'fight back' against the might of the US military? Especially if you take nukes out of the equation.
     
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    atvking Active Member

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    #26
    yes when somebody says "serve their country" it tells me a lot about who im talking to...

    ok is hired thug more appropriate? professional thug?

    factually correct is: the US hired thug gets payed and does it by his own will whilst the "enemy" does it for free and is force drafted...now if i had to pick who the real soldier is i would hardly pick the US hired thug that kills off people on the other side of the planet would i?


    yes i do know why your "brave" men and women exclusively attack defenseless 3rd world countries over politics...its because of their massive bravery and patriotism :rolleyes: and because they LOVE THE WORLD SO MUCH!!! lol their hearts bleed for us 3rd world people LOL...

    give it a break with the "protect their nation" crap eh? you have nukes nobody is going to "attack you" you silly brainwashed person...an elephant needs no protection from a lion LOL...ok if the elephant has no balls this is another issue...

    shame on me for pointing out the obvious? you are the most scared nation in the world after israel...reality is american paranoia is a source of endless entertainment for the ones you dont drop bombs on...



    thats exactly my point...you aint exactly the bravest bunch are you?...all the self approval and high fives and phoney war hero stories over enemies who never did anything to you in the first place...and if your military is SO mighty then why the scared little bunny approach?

    http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

    1.000.000-s of dead because of handful of people in the US gov. claim to represent/protect a country of people of whom 90% cant even find the above places on the map...save for ww1 and ww2 all i see on the above list is defenseless civilians being bullied by thugs who flew over half the globe to crap on peoples lives and livelyhoods...

    the world would be a much better place if the US army stayed in the US this is plain stone cold in your face fact...nobody wants you in their country you are nuts if you think anybody outside the USA harbors any sympathy for your uniform...
     
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  7. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #27
    uh huh


    I think you're in need of your medication..

    You wouldn't know 'facts' if they bit you in the ass.


    Yet more childish responses from you. The men and women do NOT get to choose where they go, they go where ever the government tells them to.


    You are simply childish to say the least. Nukes only go so far, often conflicts are fought that don't rely on the most destructive weapon a nation has.


    The obvious in your little itty bitty mind perhaps.





    Oh yes you are so brave, I love how you put all of one nation into one category. The men and women of the US forces are extremely brave, no questions about it.

    'scared little bunny approach' yeah because rushing right in and losing 10x as many is idiotic, but at least it makes you more 'brave' :rolleyes:

    When you are able to lose barely anyone you are much, much smarter fighting that way. If you prefer fighting like an idiot, go for it.

    Much of it is also politics, but I wont get into that with you as I don't believe your itty bitty mind could handle it.
    Again you confuse the government with that of the military. The military does not get to decide where they are sent, nor does the US citizen.
    Uh huh, going totally off topic in a little hissy fit, I guess I should expect nothing less.
     
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  8. atvking

    atvking Active Member

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    #28
    sounds like you dont have an explanation why the US soldier is not a hired thug so you resort to personal attacks LOL...he gets payed the rest dont...take away the $$$ and no more US brave men and women to "serve their country" puke what a bunch of BS hater propaganda that you serve your country by bombing others who cant even defend themselves...

    yes its what hired armed thugs do on other peoples countires and lives...where did you trip out that i said that the thugs actually get to pick where they go? LOL tools dont get to pick anything they just get to serve...

    no you are paranoid and afraid as a nation but it pains you to admit it..."protect our county" sounds so silly when an american says it simply because nobody in the world has plans to invade your country in any way or form (note: your country = USA i know the USA thinks the whole world belongs to americans and is their bombing ground)

    now if you had an ounce of honor you would say "protect our corporations best financial interests abroad" then i would have to agree with you...


    americans are well known for their fear they even pick presidents based on it...from communism to terrorism its always the USA at #1 red alert scared like a little mouse while other countries watch and laugh...you need to erect a big wall around your country so that you can feel safe and not invade the world over your fears and delusions...

    how silly is it that you invade other countries to "protect yours" sounds like fear to me LOL





    you are afraid im sorry if you think the world should look upon you as heroes...with your preemptive strikes and your honest honest reasons for invading other countries its your own fault you get branded as cowards...

    it takes much more balls to fight the US army than it does to be a part of it...every army you ever attacked had more balls than you did you can deny it left and right fact is it takes no balls to fight for the much stronger side :D :D...you can still pat you brave men and women on the back for going to fight for money on the other side of the world it should not burst your bubble that they are just cowards living in a bubble...


    they would nuke you if they could but they cant they were silly to invest money in free health care and free education whilst the scared scared USA invested it in nukes...sounds like a scared bunny to me eh?...


    we dont prefer fighting...its your army that brings the fight to us...no worries the world will arm the F*** up real soon and we will all "fight smart" be it with nukes or bacteria...

    north korea is an example of how brave you really are...if they really have nukes then its brown pants time for the brave brave US military LOL...you guys would never dare attack somebody who could fight back and its super obvious LOL

    the only ones with itty bitty minds are the tools that fight with no queston...as for itty bitty minds go to the military theres lots of them there...shit they fight and dont ask why can you imagine something more itty bitty?

    i agree 100% that the army and citizens have 0 control...your masters have control...this still does not change the fact that your army is responsible for 1.000.000s of deaths world wide...

    the guns in your hired thugs hands are not for planting flowers you know...

    still...nobody wants you in their country and its sad that it will take weapons of mass destruction to make you leave others alone...
     
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    #29
    Oh so now they are not 'mercenaries' they are 'hired thugs' so you admit you were factually incorrect?

    What is there to have an 'explanation' many soldiers 'most in fact' get paid. They do not do it for the money, they get paid for low amounts, much less then they would get paid if they were not in the military making it so you truly have no argument to be honest.

    To be honest your English needs some work, I can not understand 1/2 of this. They are US soldiers not 'thugs' but now you say they 'serve' so which is it, they are mercenaries, thugs or they 'serve' which in most senses would be 'serving their country' as SOLDIERS!

    If anyone sounds paranoid it is you, just look at the way you are posting. It's obvious you are very, very afraid of the USA.

    Any country needs defenses, with your logic we do not need any defenses as 'nobody is going to attack us' if we have a military then it works into your lame argument. Seriously, your argument is lame, nothing more.
    I don't agree with the administration currently going into Iraq, that will not change my view of the men and women of the US military or the US as a whole. Nor should it.
    SOME Americans can be swayed via fear, as ALL COUNTRIES can be. You are showing your hatred for the US, nothing more, it's actually pretty pathetic and sad.
    In some cases it is necessary to invade another country to protect your own, if you think differently you seriously need some more education ;)





    :rolleyes:
    Again you are painting all in the US with the same brush which is truly tiring.
    #1 I am not afraid
    #2 I never said the world should look upon US as heros
    #3 I am against the Iraq war, so how you are using this angle for debate is puzzling
    #4 Not everyone brands the US as cowards. Next failed attempt?
    Uh huh, if you have such 'big balls' why are you not fighting the US?

    I didn't realize I had a choice to be 'apart of it' I was born in the US of which I am proud.

    Most other countries did not have a choice when facing the US truly making your point, well pointless as most of yours have been.

    Yet again US soldiers do not fight for money, they get paid very little, they could make much, much more in standard jobs in the US.

    It's obvious you hate the US, do you have anything more to bring to the table then that?
    The US is not SOCIALIST, could that be why we don't invest as much into 'health care' as some others? Do you have any logical factual point? Or is it just anti US hate bullshit you spew?

    Uh huh, this almost answered the point put forth to you.
    :rolleyes:
    We could destroy North Korea in a heart beat if we wanted to. You obviously do not understand politics as it's more in the political spectrum than the military having fear. I wouldn't expect you to know something other than 'hate for America' though.


    Wow what is your hatred of soldiers? All soldiers from around the world follow orders, go to where they are ordered. It is not something only in the US you know.


    Again I do not support the Iraq war, yet you continue to drone on that. You have no real sense of debating do you?

    The people do have a say when they go to vote.

    The soldiers are not 'hired thugs' but it's obvious there is no point discussing this with you as all you do is spew hatred for the USA.
     
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    #30

    You are funny. When is your stand up routine coming to Los Angeles?
     
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    #31
    im sorry english is not my 1st language and i thought mercenaries were guns for hire only i did not know they had to be foreign guns for hire to precisely fit the definition...i corrected it to "hired thug"

    i believe you SO MUCH when you say that americans opt for the less paid army job when they have a higher payed alternative...please get real...ive seen your "Recruiters" and how desparate they are LOL

    maybe its not my english its yours? i can understand it perfectly and so can anybody else with a standard IQ...


    hired thugs serve their master whats your impotent point?...serving your country is something else that has nothing to do with attacking 3rd world defenseless countries on the other side of the planet...

    i had to live like an animal in the woods during the first war and desert during the second because the USA was carpet bombing the region...i never asked for any war nor do i want to fight anybody...i know your army better than you do simply because i got a taste of the business end...you guys are no goodwill organisation to say the least...im "afraid" of the US hired thug because my life truly means nothing to him...

    no you are just being very very dishonest here because it suits your silly arguments...i never said you did not need any defenses i said you have SO MUCH defenses that its pointless to send your killing machine to other countries being that no country has the capability to invade you ever...you understand 100% what im saying dont play dumb LOL

    the US military does not give a turd about the lives of 3rd world people...you cluster bomb civlian areas with delayed charges, you ruin entire economies, you ruin futures for millions and millions of people who never did anything to you...but i understand that you dont give a crap i really do...

    actually it is you (the american nation) who hates me (3rd world)...i never did anything to you and all you guys did to me was drop bombs and try to kill me...im one of millions and millions of civilians in my country who never wanted to go to war with the US hired thug apparatus...my life was completely destroyed but i dont expect any american to shed a tear as long as your FEAR is kept in check by the invasion of 3rd world countries i guess its all good for you guys...

    i dont hate anybody i just speak the truth about you...

    yea right...especially when your own country is the #1 military superpower and the country you attack is not able to defend itself let alone attack you...i see your point SO MUCH LOL...





    iraq is not the first dishonest attack on foreign soil, that resulted in 100.000-s of deaths, that the US gov has ordered...you have blood on your hands this is all im saying...lots of it...


    why should i fight you? this would make me exactly like your hired thugs (only i would not get payed)...i dont hate the USA its the USA that hates me (dropping bombs is not love)


    dont play dumb you understand my very simple sentence: being a part of a big and strong hired thug army takes very little balls...heroes? LOL

    no this is just you pretending not to understand the obvious...you can call yourselves heroes all you want but the guys facing you are much bigger heroes for going against a much stronger/better equipped aggressor on their own soil


    right you do it for the goodness of mankind...get real eh?



    im sorry it was a silly point to bring up how heath care and education are more important that weapons and paranoia...you make such good and wise point..."the usa is not socialist" brilliant!



    on the contrary i understand perfectly...you COULD nuke them this is not the point...the point is if you nuked korea this would send a very very very very clear signal to other countries...they would be very very concerned about your country nuking civilians AGAIN only this time you would not have WW2 as an excuse...it would take the "game" to a whole new level and this is what the USA does not want...countries like russia or china would get very very uneasy about this and the political aftermath would cost you more than you could imagine...the world would not just sit there waiting for the USA to target them next LOL...

    what i was talking about is how korea is obviously free from your invasion because they can stop your hired thugs with the threat of nuclear bombs...to be free from the USA you need big big bombs...


    well theres the small fact that they kill more civilians than all the terrorists combined? the fact that they join by their own free will rather than getting a normal job they opt to go and kill 3rd world people for little money?

    when did i mention iraq? and are you saying your other "interventions" are any different? LOL

    yes you get to vote and bring brilliant leaders like bill the cigar pusher clinton or the bush nazi supporter dynasty or insane mccaine ...your democracy and the warm hearts of the american people are a real jewel resulting in pretty pretty stuff like iraq and world wide oppression against anybody your government trips out...

    again i dont spew hatred...the USA spews hatred in forms of bombs and bullets and embargoes and destruction of millions of lives and livelyhoods...there is no comparison between my criticism and your hate to the world...i type letters in a keyboard you guys drop more bombs than all terrorists x 10000...nobody comes even close to the USA in hatred, paranoia and murder of civilians (force drafted or not)...
     
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    oh id rather wait for your bombs to go on world tour AGAIN and tell my "jokes" to them...
     
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    Firegirl Peon

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    #33
    Please stop posting about topics that you obviously know NOTHING about. You are not American and have no idea about the pride we take in our country. You have NO idea about what we sacrifice for our freedoms.

    Grim is 100% correct when he states there are thousands of people that give up very high paying jobs/lifestyles to join the military and barely make enough to survive or support the children they leave behind. I've know doctors, surgeons, lawyers, football players who are all making $100k + a year join the military so they can make a difference for our country.

    That's what makes our men and women so special. Rich or poor, they are willing to sacrifice SO much for our freedoms because we do truly believe in our people and our country. Many men and women have died, leaving behind their young children, and it wasn't for money or fame!

    I work with a young woman whose husband is deployed. He has never seen his child because it was born while he was gone. She came to work for our company because she cannot afford to support herself and her new child on what her husband makes in the military. They cannot afford to buy a house. They cannot afford a better car. She cannot afford to live on her own and is currently living with her parents so her new child can have a roof over his head. She comes into work EVERYDAY, driving 2 hours to get here in a car that barely hits the speed limit, pumps milk several times a day here to feed her child, and she does it all to support her husbands efforts and our country. And she wouldn't have it any other way.

    And if you don't have this kind of dedication in your country, I feel sorry for you.

    But please, don't talk about what goes on in our country if you don't really know. You need to open your eyes and stop believing everything that is being force fed to you.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    I'm not even going to respond to the anti US troll's post above, this post however is better than I could of done anyways ;)
     
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    oh so im not american so i dont have the special ability to understand your super complex culture? LOL...pride and dropping more bombs on civilians than all terrorists combined are two very different things...be proud but dont go dropping bombs eh? stay in your country and wave a flag who gives a crap...

    yes you were first invaded by the evil evil native americans who just wanted to live and breathe and you had to kill them all off because they were suffocating your "Freedoms" then the evil evil black people came to your country to pick all your cotton and you even had to let them vote and get education in 1965 further sacrificing your "Freedoms"...not so long ago eh?...it was a bitter fight for your "freedoms" LOL...

    oh and you were so "un free" before all this :rolleyes: everybody was taking away your "freedoms"...


    WHAT "FREEDOMS" ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????? please be sure to explain...freedom to bomb the weak?...what does the USA have that other countries dont? (except freedom to bully the weak?)...you said "freedoms" plural so you must be able to state at least 1 "freedom"??

    as for the $$$ issue its silly to debate...you guys get payed at least 1200$ more than any of your enemies who fight in their OWN country for FREE...if somebody left their doctors job to go fight force drafted 3rd world people on the other side of the planet maybe the US government can build him a statue in bronze?...it sure does not change our view (our=3rd world) about your terror attacks on us and your bombing campaigns...we get bombed and you guys take "pride" in it...
     
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    yes because all youre capable of is resorting to personal attacks when faced with the impossible situation of intelligently defending your machine of mass murder...

    i see you as the troll...you are like them alquaida guys who make a video only the alqaida bombs are much less powerful and kill much less people...you both bomb civilians and you are both "proud" of offing people who never did anything to you...nothing your army ever does is wrong to you...hell the USA does not even recognize the authority of any international war crimes tribunal...cold this be because of the war crimes?:rolleyes:
     
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    #37
    Wow you like making things up don't you?

    #1 All you are able to do is spew anti US hate.
    #2 You're not even worthy of my time.
    #3 I'm like Al Qaeda simply because I correct your false statements? Interesting.
    #4 I don't bomb anyone, nor am I proud of 'offing people'
    #5 I said nothing the US army does at the orders of the US president is wrong to me? Please show me where I state this. I could have sworn I have said multiple times I am against the war in Iraq. :rolleyes:

    Yeah ghee I wonder why I chose not to respond to you.
     
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    hate? i state the fact that you drop more bombs in one campaign that alquaida ever did and you accuse me of hate?...hate is what your "army" does to 3rd world countries ...stating that you bomb a lot is not hate its fact...

    on a personal note i dont hate anybody but its a common accusation...

    but you answer anyway?

    yes you are...youre like some crazy arab that defends attacks on civilians...your nation "boasts" its mass murder machine and is proud of it and it gives "support" to "your troops"... glorifying your blatant terrorism over civilians who were forced in to war by your aggressive interventionist "foreign policy"...not giving a damn about the millions upon millions of civilians whos lives you simply destroy...

    granted youre not like alquaida because your bombs are much stronger and you are much more global and aggressive...they are just amateurs compared to your invaders...


    your army does and is...you support your army simply because its "patriotic" and at the same time you piss on the suffering of millions...

    its true in general that most americans see their army as "heroes" and are not phased by the death and destruction caused by your noble "interventions"...you dont see that your "support of your troops" is at the same time a support of our murder (3rd world)...to the people you attack your high fiving each other over bombing other countries is plain support of terrorism...


    ill tell you what...you tell me what international war crimes tribunal does the US army answer to and ill never say anything about the US army again...good luck in searching LOL
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #39
    It is not just 'bombing' it is your entire method of posting in this thread.
    Sure appears you do

    I don't like false statements, like you continue to post.

    Again more lies. I support the troops, I do not support the war. I do give a damn, but I see you like to make things up..
    Uh huh



    I support the troops, they do not get to decide where they go. What do you not understand about this. Many of them actually do not agree with Iraq for example, they however go there as they are ordered to!


    No you don't see that you can support the troops while not supporting the war and not supporting the administration. You need to separate them, something it appears you are unable to do.

    What do you not get about the army/military does not make those decisions, the government does.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    #40
    I think I will agree with Grim here. It's absolutely pointless to discuss anything with you because you are so blinded by lies and hate.

    I know nothing of Serbia (if that's really where you are) and you won't see me talking about it because of that. You obviously know absolutely nothing on the U.S., but you insist you know just as much about our country as we do.

    While I don't agree with 100% of everything my country does, I am still proud to call myself an American and always will.

    Someone so filled with hate and ignorance for a country when they don't know the people or our way of life is not worth my time.

    I feel so sorry for you....
     
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