We have LBC, do you know what it is? Its the lebanese broadcast station, and im not spreading propaganda, sara it seems like u and your posse just blindly follow hezbolla even though u dont knwo a thing about them
no I dont believe anything he says, and I said that the army will stop Al Qaeda there, not hezbollah, if a fight between hezbollah and al qaeda started. But his agendaral ways of speaking tried to twist my words, so i think ill just ignore you from now on.
Good , I like speaking to people that dont have blind allegiance to anything, especially to something they dont know much about or havent even lived in the country themselves or are familiar with the situation. I can see the bush administration as well as hezbolla have sheeple that will follow them blindly
Just as i said the fighting has spread to the mountain side now . This time its hezbolla against the druze muslims. Like i said before this isnt propaganda. You just need to have the lbc lebanese tv channel. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080512/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon Lebanese violence spreads to mountains outside capital By ZEINA KARAM, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 16 minutes ago BEIRUT, Lebanon - Lebanon hung between fears of all-out war and hopes of political compromise Sunday as government supporters and opponents battled with rockets and machine guns in the mountains overlooking the capital. [SIZE=-2]ADVERTISEMENT[/SIZE] The fighting saw the collapse of pro-government forces in the Aley region, a stronghold of anti-Syrian Druse leader Walid Jumblatt. Beirut was quiet a day after Hezbollah gunmen left the streets, heeding an army call for the Shiite fighters to clear out. The city was the focus of four days of Sunni-Shiite clashes that culminated with Hezbollah seizing large swaths of Muslim West Beirut — demonstrating its military might in a showdown with the government. Thirty-eight people have been killed since Wednesday, when a power struggle between the Hezbollah-led opposition and the U.S.-backed government began erupting into the worst sectarian violence since Lebanon's 1975-1990 civil war. Across the country, there were fears of another slide into civil war. "I don't believe this is the end," said Hala, a 32-year-old employee of an insurance company who lives in a posh area of the Muslim sector that saw fighting three days ago. She declined to give her name for fear of retaliation. "They haven't solved the problem yet," she added. "There will be another round." But some analysts saw Hezbollah's demonstration of its power as paving the way for a solution to end the political crisis. Analysts said the opposition now appears to have the upper hand, which could force the government to compromise. "The opposition is in control now. These military victories have to be translated politically," said Amal Saad Ghorayeb, a political science professor who is an expert on Hezbollah. "You can't have a civil war when there is one group that is militarily superior to the others," she said, referring to Hezbollah. The violence was sparked when the government confronted Hezbollah with decisions to sack the chief of airport security for alleged ties to the militant group and to declare Hezbollah's private telephone network illegal. Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said the decisions amounted to a declaration of war. Ghorayeb said nobody expected Hezbollah to go as far as it did. She expects the group's achievements on the ground to force the government into a compromise. "Hezbollah crossed the threshold and gained its own momentum," she said. "Given that Beirut fell so quickly, the opposition saw that this was a golden opportunity to force the government into a compromise that would be tilted in its favor." Overnight, there were fierce clashes in the north, particularly in the city of Tripoli. One woman was killed. Heavy fighting between government supporters and opponents broke out Sunday in the central mountain town of Aytat and surrounding areas, about 9 miles from Beirut. The sounds of heavy machine-gun fire and explosions rolled across the capital. Pro-government supporters of Jumblatt and Shiite gunmen and their allies exchanged rockets and machine-gun fire, security officials said on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media. Paramedics said 12 people were injured. As the fighting raged in the mountain region, black smoke could be seen billowing from Druse villages. The violence spread to the nearby towns of Kayfoun, Qamatiyeh, Bchamoun and Chouweifat, they said. The area had been controlled mostly by Jumblatt's Progressive Socialist Party and its militia. Hezbollah on Saturday accused Jumblatt's followers of killing two of their supporters and kidnapping a third. Lebanon has 17 different religious sects and at least a dozen armed groups that exert some degree of military control over various parts of the country and the capital. Among those armed groups are Hezbollah, Amal, Jumblatt's PSP and the Christian community's Phalange Party, who were all involved in the civil war. After the civil war ended in 1990, all of the militias surrendered their weapons and transformed into political parties, keeping only small arms. Only Hezbollah was allowed to keep its arms because it was considered a resistance movement battling Israel. Over the years, the groups have built up their arms and reasserted control in different areas. Jumblatt, speaking to private LBC television and sounding subdued, implicitly called on his militiamen to give up their positions in the Aytat area and hand them over to the army. "I say to my followers that civil peace and stopping the war and destruction is above any other consideration," he said. Fighting subsided by the evening and the army began deploying in the region. Jumblatt's supporters were handing over their weapons to the army. The Hezbollah-led opposition quit the Cabinet 18 months ago, demanding larger representation that would give them veto power over government decisions. The deadlock has kept parliament from electing a new president since November. Army commander Gen. Michel Suleiman is the consensus candidate for president and the army's success in calming Beirut could enhance his chances of being elected. Saniora said Sunday the Cabinet would meet in the next days to decide what to do about the two decisions against Hezbollah that sparked the violence. In Cairo, Arab foreign ministers held an emergency meeting on the Lebanon crisis and issued a statement urging an immediate end to all fighting. They criticized Hezbollah for using military force to achieve political goals and said they were sending a delegation to Lebanon to try to broker a political settlement. Hezbollah's show of force in Beirut was a blow to Washington. The U.S. has long considered Hezbollah a terrorist group and condemned its ties to Syria and Iran. The Bush administration has been a strong supporter of Saniora's government and its army for the last three years. The conflict has heightened concerns in the Middle East and the West over Iran's growing influence and its intentions in the region. Beirut's streets were largely deserted Sunday, a day off in Lebanon. The opposition continued to block many roads including the one to the airport in protest against the government. There have been no incoming flights to Lebanon for four days and no outgoing flights for three days. In the West Beirut neighborhood of Karakol Druse, which saw heavy fighting Thursday, a man swept glass outside his shop. A gaping hole from a rocket propelled grenade and bullet holes marked the facade of a normally busy bakery, now closed. There were few signs of gunmen openly carrying weapons, save for small knots of Hezbollah allies from the Syrian Social Nationalist Party sitting outside the Economy Ministry in one seaside district. On Beirut's normally bustling seaside corniche, workers outside five-star hotels cleaned blackened streets scarred by burning tires. Nabil Silisty, a 60-year-old lawyer, said he did not foresee another sectarian conflict in Lebanon. "There will be no civil war. The Lebanese tried it before and it was a catastrophe," said the Greek Orthodox Christian, a resident of West Beirut since birth. He spoke as he took laundry to wash at a relative's house because he has not had electricity since Friday morning
Maybe Canbolat is the main figure in this civil war. He had sent info to israel , during the Lebanon-Israel war. He tells that, I was lying to Suriya during 25 years. He "Do you want anarchy, we are ready for it, do you want war , we are ready for war" Now he is supporting Siniora, who is supporting US pingpong123 have you heard about him ?
I will check him out tomomorrow, thanks Ziya, as for right now im hearing on most of the lebanese message board is that the druze (walid Jumblats soldiers) are doing some serious asskicking against hezbolla in the mountain region where they arent on their home turf and there arent any underground man made tunnels. The Druze from the mountain regions are some of the fiercest warriors in lebanon and did some serious butt kicking during the civil war(even against the extremist christian phalangest). Its unreal considering that hezbolla is fighting with heavy artillery and the druze have nothing more than rifles. I guess you can never underestimate the will of people fighting for their freedom. they wont wait for democratic elections, they are trying to take out the druze to weaken the government and eventually topple it . Maybe they arent waiting for elections because maybe they know that more then 50% of lebanese wont vote for them?
As i said you dont even know what your talking about. Saniora wants a free lebanon from all influences. Let hezbolla turn in their weapons and join the government and wait for new elections. You keep bringing up saudiarabia and america, but anyone that really knows the political situation in lebanon and knows saniora before the conflict knows this isnt true. More then 50% of lebanese dont want iran and syria in lebanon and according to wikipedia hezbolla only comprises 28% of the population and that number is dwindling because of their brutality. Saniora never got any funding from america till after hezbolla started threatening them. I suggest you learn about the conflict by reading. Pizzaman also posted about the UN not implicating syria in the murder of hariri and when i posted the latest UN report that did implicate Syria suddenly no one posted anymore in reponse. Like i said, im glad i have no blind allegiance to any one organization and my eyes are open up enough to see what is going on in lebanon. The 2006 war with isreal was provoked recklessly by hezbolla. A war where hundreds of lebanese died because they want to drag the lebanese people(willing or not willing) into a war with isreal and then call themselves the resistance. That war was also provoked by syria and iran at a time when america had put pressure on syria during the latest UN investigation into hariris death. Hezbolla goal now which it has started to implement and so far is working is to annex land that belongs to the people of the march 14th group and then turn it over to the lebanese government so that when it forcefully takes over the government or makes it surrender it will have total control over lebanon Legally(in its warped mind). I gotta give major credit to saad hariri (the son of the slain prime minister). The guy is a billionaire and doesnt even need to be in lebanon yet has stuck it out against an overwhelming military force because he is a true lebanese.
Saddam was a billionaire, Shah of Iran was billionaire, Marcos in Philippine was billionaire and many of heads of major drug cartels are billionaires but with that kind of money, also comes the expenses and it is not so easy to leave your source of income or the temptation of future profits.
Buddy can you say that their not a single member in your state even , these guys target poor families and in last these boys dont get any other options and join these qaeda groups so atleast their family can live happily , I am not a expert but did little bit researches on this . alqaeda can be anywhere and we cant even know they target innocent poor people .
Hariri made his money in the saudi real estate business. Plain and simple. He helped to rebuild the airport that and give the opportunity of scholarships to many lebanese students. He rebuilt the airport because he knew that the major source of cash in lebanon is tourism. I am still waiting for proof from you that hairiri was under the payroll of saniora? No evidence? Just as i thought, considering that hariri is richer in his left side pocket then saniora ever was. Hariris main source of income was never lebanon, it was always saudi arabia, and unlike ur heroes hezbolla, he never sold out his country to any country.
You have got it the other way around, I never said that Hairi was under payroll of Saniora, it is Saniora who works for Hariri family among others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saniora http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafik_Hariri
@ pingpong i did not want to answer you because you were trying to make this an israeli issue and i did not want to get into that. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7319173.stm the fact that the reports calls it a "criminal network" not political or terrorist and gives them a name, it gives me enough to hold judgment till further evidence is uncovered. i do not like to believe any body's mother if you don't mind edit- as i tried to tell you the solution is to change the source of money from iranian to lebnonian sources, so you can change the agenda. to expect them to do without is not realistic and can only be enforced with force which actually would cost more.
As i said before everyone in lebanon has been living a humble existence vfor the last 5 years. When i was in the metn mountains in 2002 there were crowds of 21,22,23 and 24 years olds with masters degrees and they couldnt even get work with the million syrian workers grabbing every job in their way. Everyone in lebanon were suffering, not just the hezbolla shiites.Did the groups try to overthrow the government and behave like savages? This is way beyond the standard of living. It is an extremist group selling out the soul of lebanon to iranians and syrians. In the syrian constitution it says lebanon is part of souria kubra(greater syria), and then to hezbolla they will try to make that a reality soon. There is no excuse in the book any human can come up with for a group selling out their country to foreign countries. Gworld as far as hariris inheritance, he was just a good business man who prepared for the worst for his family. It was well known how much the assads of souria hated him and most likely used their intelligence apparatus to get rid of him. Stop trying to grasp at straws that arent there. You sure are depending the syrians,hezbolla and iran blindly arent you. I still have yet to see any facts from you. The true resistance now is everyone that is resisting hezbolla and their incredible war machine. they are calculating that the government will fold. If they miscalculate they will be finished. Lets hope the lebanese people love freedom instead of living under iranian oppression.
it seems that harrari family was making money! anyhow you keep on missing the point. the reason hezbolah has power is that shia people support them people support them because they provide services that the govt does not so if govt provide these services you decrease the need for hezbolah decrease the need for iranian money reduce the need for iranian money and reduce their influence reduce the need for money and reduce support for hizbolah i hope you get the picture. don't tell me there is no money. then where did the harriri made their money?
Atulperx thanks but no im not in the crime branch, my parents are just lebanese As i said pizzaman hariri made his money in saudiarabia, and he could have made billions more by staying there but he wanted to go back to his humble roots, and he was born a very poor man. Look at the rest of the lebanese, are they selling their soul to iran and syria like hezbolla did. My mom also was telling me that hezbolla spokepersons were saying that if the forces supporting the government dont give up soon theyw ill see much more killing. Looks like hezbolla has turned from liberator to occupier. Look pizzaman, dont try to give excuses for hezbolla, they have let syria corrupt lebanon and stood by to watch it happen. They let a million syrian workers come in illegally to loot and plunder the lebanese economy. They erected statues of the president of syria in lebanon. If they wanna fight isreal let them go to their real country in iran and fight them from there. The lebanese are tired of this bs. Even the shiites themselves have started turning against hezbolla. Their recent brutality is starting to turn all of lebanon against them. i find it truly stupifying that your actually defending them. Its beyond amazing. Soon hezbolla are going to find a very angry lebanese population that will all join in against them. This is what happens when you try to bully a country by occupying them. It happened in iraq and now look at lebanon. Im looking at some of the incredibly ignorant posts here supporting what hezbolla is doing. It seems like anytime hezbolla likes it can accuse someone of being an american and isreali spy and it gives them instant legitimacy to do whatever they want. Those days are gone. You ignoramuses probably dont even know that when hezbolla were originally formed they were fighting against the plo in lebanon. They have deviated so far from their original ideals and beliefs that even some shiites dont even recognize them anymore. http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/2008/05/lebanon_a_victo.php Lebanon : A 'Victory' the Size of Defeat Published: Monday, 12 May, 2008 @ 11:53 PM in Beirut (GMT+2) By: Elias Harfoush Beirut - How far seems May 2000 from May 2008. Hezbollah's victory over Israel during the former was a Lebanese victory that achieved the withdrawal of Israeli troops. It was accompanied by national consensus and near-unanimous rallying around the Resistance, as well as praise for the exceptional role it played in this liberation. Even those who opposed the Resistance, for their own political reasons and sectarian fears, could find no shortcomings in its behavior, whether during the battles for liberation or the celebrations of victory. May 2008 is a "victory" of another kind for Hezbollah. One tainted with bitterness, because the districts taken over by Hezbollah in Beirut and elsewhere are inhabited by Lebanese citizens, and because the consensus of those who rallied around the party eight years ago is today being torn apart by sectarian and political strife, turning the resistant party into just another factions in the internal conflict. It is well-known that Hezbollah was extremely hesitant to enter the internal political arena - or so its leaders claimed. Perhaps because it was aware that, in this arena, it would remove its unifying national cloak and replace it with a sectarian one, by virtue of the identity and affiliation of its members. Moreover, Hezbollah's entry into the internal arena with the weapons of the Resistance was bound to lead to implication, since the natural place of such weapons, one over which there can be consensus, is certainly not this arena. Furthermore, reservations still stood concerning the possibility of using these weapons to impose Hezbollah's project or point of view upon others, as has occurred in the last "victory". What has been said to justify the use of weapons, considering that a war against "internal agents" is as a war against the enemy on the border, does not lessen, but increases, the impact of the "victory" defeat. If Hezbollah is indeed still aware of the importance of coexistence and internal balance, and of keeping Lebanon away from the sectarian conflict that looms over the region, then surely it is also aware that, at the end of the day, it will return from the battle to live side-by-side with those "agents" it defeated today. In this sense too, the latest "victory" is horribly different from the victories of 2000 and 2006. Sayyid Hassan Nasrallah will never have to live with Ehud Olmert or Ehud Barak under the same roof. His victory over them is a rightful cause for celebration, but "victory" over Saad Hariri, Walid Jumblatt and Samir Geagea has a different meaning, and different implications for Lebanon's ability to recover from such a bloody relapse. Hence the fear that Hezbollah's leaders may have crossed the last line to the final rupture, a fear prompted by the recent words of Hezbollah's Secretary-General. When other political leaders are accused of "treason" and "collaboration with Israel" because of a mere divergence of opinion on a governmental decision, it is only natural to wonder if there is a still a margin for dialogue or for reaching a solution in the minds of Hezbollah leaders. It appears that Nasrallah has severed the last thread leading to a solution. He has gone further than this, and, from his religious position, has cut off the road to heaven to those who oppose him, by assuring us that he would not meet them in the afterlife! Israel remains the great absent from all this, despite Hezbollah's assurance that it is at the top of its preoccupations and at the core of its objectives. "Victory" on the inside front constitutes certain defeat on the enemy's front. We must not forget that the Resistance's strong stance is not based only on its armament, but first and foremost on the country's internal cohesion, whose disintegration has always been a primary factor to facilitate infiltration. If only for this reason, Hezbollah's leaders should have been more careful than any other organization in Lebanon to preserve such cohesion, especially since they never ceased to claim that the public rallying around them during the July war was one of the most important factors that allowed victory. Picture: The number 1 mountain resort city in Lebanon ...Aley ..being bombarded this time ...no ...no... not by Israel , but by Hezbollah who claimed all along that its arms will never be pointed against the Lebanese . Dozens killed in the attack on Aley