Interesting.... want to show what you are saying? The one family I know (who doesn't know I know...) that are 'christian identity' did not vote for Bush because he supports Israel. Most republican presidents have, so most of the neo-nazis will vote for democrat candidates because of their views on Israel. Not sure how that excuses Ron Pauls magazine though. Seriously, no RP supporter could give a good answer on how RP is somehow not affiliated with the magazine. This has a stronger tie than that of Obama and his pastor - since it seems to be common for many politicians to be "members" of some church without seeming to even know what the Bible says.
The mud is irrelevant. The message is correct, and if you see any racism, sexism etc in his message, I'd be curious to know. It's irrelevant though. Who was the last Saintly President? Not that Paul was even running necessarily to win, but to wake people up and address the real issues of the day. Not Obama's ethnicity, or if Bill will get a 3rd term, or if McCain is healthy enough to live through a term, or if Edwards had sex with someone. Real issues, like the war, the Constitution, law, economics, monetary policy etc. Btw, I think your experience with neo-nazism has become an albatross, because if you can't see past it, you are permanently damaged by it. It's one thing to witness evil and feel revulsion and want to avoid or defeat it. It's another thing for mere hint or mention of it, to paralyze your rational thought processes, or to send you running in the other direction.
If it walks like a wolf, smells like a wolf, looks like a wolf, but baaahs like a sheep.... sometimes you have to make sure all things match. You don't know how much I like his message, but like another "identity" person I know, they don't speak about certain things and you wouldn't know otherwise unless you found a way to reveal the truth. This last paragraph seems to be a ramble. It did not make much sense at all to me if you were trying to make some conclusion about my thinking??? If you think that I go around judging everyone to be racists, you got the wrong guy. I actually fault on giving too much grace to people and sometimes I pay for it later...
We had this same discussion before where I linked to white supremacist movements supporting bush. You are totally incorrect on 'most neo nazis' supporting democrats, American Jews support democrats far and large, NOT neo nazis. As far as the articles, had this discussion over and over as well.
A discussion without real proof either way. So, your point was taken but not accepted as absolute truth. The swing of neo-nazis voting democrat has increased and mostly because of the support for Israel issue. Go search out one of the hate sites with forums and read what they say about who they are voting for. There are a few of these sites out there, try the lee-rockwell site as well, it probably has a forum.
Well I'll admit that I don't go to white power sites much, the few times I have still show an overwhelming republican support base. Every article I have read on the subject still shows an overwhelming republican base. Even 'if' they were going democrat as you say, that does not change the fact that Don Black supported Bush, white supremacists far and large supported Bush which truly makes me question any Bush supporter for ripping on RP for the same support Bush received. BTW I have actually linked to sources on DP about it before
Americans thought last 8 years f$#ked them hard. Wait what happens if Barry Obama gets elected. I'll laugh my ass off after 4 years if that happens, cause this guy won't even use lube to f%$k them over, and he'll go right after the brown eye.
I haven't denied that some supported bush. But now we are off track again because what my concern with RP was with his own publication and what was published under his name (magazine) You will take this off track again and either try to point fingers at me, Bush or whoever else, but no one will deal directly with the issue. Why the heck would someone who didn't support that kind of thinking allow a magazine that he owned to do such? The back tracking and the obvious "I will act like it doesn't have anything to do with me" attitude. If you realized how much this caused an issue with many of us who truly liked RP, then someone would have investigated it. Maybe someone did and they know they can't say what they really found?? --- actually don't bother replying, RP is done. "the cause" is over and no one will remember this in 3 years. I am just frustrated how I get attacked when I am seriously asking questions. That shows the maturity level of many of RP supporters, much of which can be seen on the RP forums. ---- ** unsubscribe **
I didn't see you being attacked, but your fixation with the newsletters is pretty hard to miss. And it's Lew Rockwell. Not Lee Rockwell. You should read there. You might like it. I also wanted to add, that the Ron Paul "cause" is not over. His new Political Action Committee has 81,000 members signed up, and he has sold 8,000+ tickets for a shadow convention in Minnesota with a substantial cast of impressive speakers. The freedom movement is just getting started. You can stay fixated on the newsletters, millions of people have moved past it.
#1 I am not attacking. #2 The newsletter issue has been debated to death on these forums, so many times I honestly can not believe someone would want to seriously bring them up again. #3 To me it sure appeared you were bringing up 'neo nazi' which to me equated to the support he had, which was the same as others who continued to bring up the newsletters and his supporters to bash him, all the time being hypocrites to the fact that Bush had the same supporters. If you meant neo nazi in a different way I am sorry, I simply don't see how, as even if you think the news letters were racist it does not = neo nazi, which to me by all logic would equate to the same old bash some of his supporters to bash him. In my eyes I was not changing the subject at all, but continuing on with the 'neo nazi' angle of it.
No, it wasn't debated. Like most everything else, it was dismissed by RP supporters, despite the fact that his racist newsletters were uncovered, despite the fact that his own personal comments were in them, despite the fact that RP defended those very racist newsletters in 1996 and was on record doing so. Everything was sourced and documented. In fact, you even eluded to the notion that you didn't care if he did write them, you were still going to vote for him. Coupled with "I personally didn't see them as racist." Thing is though, grim, you weren't the final authority on that. I'd be happy to repost all of Ron Paul's hateful racist newsletters again. Not that it matters much, nor that it ever really did. Take away the anti-semites, the neo-nazis and the troofers, and there isn't much left of that 5% (at best) national support that RP had. alex jones did a miserable job promoting him and most people caught on pretty quick. Most...