Where did he say that???? You just make things up as you go along d16man with your unremitting love for your terrorist hero Bush.
Paul beats Giuliani in Michigan, finishing 3rd in straw poll http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070923/NEWS06/70923012 You can follow Paul's Straw Poll results (including H2H matchups) here. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/
Are these the same straw polls that RP supporters have been setting up, to make their candidate look more appealing than he is?
Bzzt, WRONG! Here, I went through and found out the organizers of each of these straw polls. Seems like all these doctored polls are being run by biased organizations such as local and state Republican Parties! There was one online straw poll, so we can toss that, but every other straw poll seems to be run by a local, state, or national Republican group. You can see it as an image here: Or download as an Excel file with links to each group I could find here: http://www.mediafire.com/?1mdmjhiyhlm
Why straw polls are meaningless: Romney — 36 McCain — 24 Rudy — 16 Paul —9 (Fred not Tommy) Thompson — 7 does anyone here believe mccain has support of 24% of republicans? romney at 36? he polls like 10% nationally. hunter doesn't even show here, yet he won a straw poll a few weeks ago. these straw polls are pointless. The wild variances just show how unreliable these things are. there simply are not enough voters, nor a wide enough net to get a real sampling. Pumping these things up are kinda silly. Case in point, from the link above (how sad that you have a spreadsheet, but anyways) the "Coalition of NH Taxpayers picnic straw poll" had a total of 294 votes cast. Everyone knows the races for each party will be decided on 2/5 or that super-duper-mega-stupid tuesday or whatever. These polls do not result in endorsements, donations or anything. They are just glorified phone polls with a too small sample size. After that 2/5 vote, each party's candidate will be decided. One party will live to regret their choice, maybe both of them. Either way, 2008 is the most intellectually vacant campaign ever.
Great post lorien! Nonetheless, a grassroots campaign like Ron Paul's will take the small, scientifically unregulated victories.
Lorien, I'll agree with you that for the most part they are meaningless. I was just responding to the ridiculous claim that Ron Paul supporters are doctoring results of straw polls nationwide. And yes, these polls are worthless compared to the primaries in 2008. That is what matters.
So GTech, which straw polls are you saying are biased? Are you suggesting that simply because one of the polls might be biased, all of them are? If not, then please give a number of the above polls which you believe are biased. We can discount them in the count of Ron Paul victories, leaving a list (if there is any left) of straw polls Ron Paul has fairly won. I anxiously await your response.
Can I just select [d] all of the above? Or were you talking about all the online polls that his minions have forged? Let me know, k?
So you are saying that the polls that were administered by various state GOP parties, county GOP parties, local Republican committees, and national Republican interest groups, all were biased in favor of Dr. Paul. I just wanted to be sure that was your stance on the subject, to show you how ridiculous you sound. I acknowledge that online polls are biased in favor of Dr. Paul, as he has a following that uses the internet much, much more than other candidates. I also realize some nefarious supporters may have voted multiple times in more insecure online polls. That is why I do not acknowledge Dr. Paul's standings in those polls as "victories". What I am talking about as "victories" are the results of the polls in the image I posted above, which you are claiming are biased also.
I'm sorry you are having such a hard time following along. I try to write to a sixth grade level, but it doesn't always work for some. What I pointed out was that I believe a good number of the meaningless straw polls were created/facilitated by RP supporters. We all know who those same people have worked together like the Borg to spam online polls. I'm not sure, but I may have used a few eighth grade terms in there though. If any of the words are too big, let me know
You call RP supporters conspiracy theorists, but you are claiming somehow we have infiltrated the ranks of GOP parties nationwide, and are doctoring polls in favor of Ron Paul. Amazing stuff! How can I subscribe to your newsletter?
I don't recall using those words. Were you demonstrating the dishonesty of RP supporters for me again? Just another reason why I can't vote for RP.
guerilla, you really should get in here and give a few cheers for fletch. Don't be lazy and let others do all the work
See it there? You said yourself, you believe these straw polls were created/facilitated by RP supporters. I've shown proof they were created by GOP parties throughout the country. So either they doctored the polls in favor of Ron Paul, or Ron Paul represents the will of GOP parties nationwide. If it's the second thing, I apologize. Otherwise, I'm correct.
Incorrect. You simply whipped out a spreadsheet you created. I could create one as well. I simply choose not to. I believe you've already said it best, when you noted these were insignificant. Everyone knows this. Your candidate is polling 1-3% nationally, at best. Howard Dean had a lot more than that, and he fell like a rock. Say goodnight, fletch. Don't forget to take the red pill. Restore the Republic, "death to Israel," and all the other nightly chants!
So you're arguing that my spreadsheet is factually wrong? You said it best yourself when you say "I simply choose not to." You are clearly showing, across various threads, a lack of care for your sources, and figuring out the truth. It's quite simple for you to verify who the creators of the various straw polls listed are. If you are going to claim I'm incorrect, than show me the true creators of those straw polls. I've noticed you have a recurring trend of being too damned lazy to find a source/verify something for yourself, but yet you will continue to argue as if you have a source to back up your claim. If you are claiming they were created by Ron Paul supporters and not GOP parties nationwide, than show me. You can download the excel file at the bottom of my post, which has links to each of the parties websites, as long as I could find them. You can then comb through each site, and see that they clearly created the straw poll, as almost every website lists it as a news event with the results of each straw poll. If you can't show me that my data is wrong, it's a logical fallacy to continue an argument with the preposition that "the straw polls were doctored". The burden of proof is on you to show that they were doctored, and considering I've already made a list indicating that they were not created by Ron Paul supporters, but GOP parties nationwide, it's a hell of a lot of burden to show otherwise.