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I would like to know how unions are run and who funds them, but I don't really have time to research that right now. Definitely something interesting to look into after the elections. Seems like the war, health care, and taxes are the more pressing issues. I don't think people understand how many other problems will go away easily if we just take care of those three first.

There's a dvd out: "Amazing Grace". Just watched it last night. Very interesting story about how the British handled their part of getting rid of slavery (without a civil war). The way they did it was by making it economically difficult for slavers to make money. This was supported by the people creating "slave blood - free" sugar and being able to charge more and the people still bought it instead.

Once there was no money going to the politicians from the slavers, the politicians all gladly voted to abolish slavery completely.

A lot we can learn from the history of other countries then our own as well, imo.

 

Who funds unions? The people who are forced to work in them.. They pay dues that are pulled out of their paycheck before they ever see it. Then that money is funneled to liberal campaigns furthering an agenda of take, take, take, whine, whine, whine...

 

That probably wouldn't have worked in our country I don't think. Sure, there were enough people motivated to fighting slavery to win a war over it, but some states were highly supportive of slavery, others were not. So the southern states would have had no problem selling their crops to others in the south. Rarely did people in the South view it as wrong. They only would have had problems selling in the North.

 

lol, that is an absurd statement. The US is a huge threat to the world (we consume a ridiculous amount of resources, we impose our will on other nations whether they like it or not, and we're the only ones to use nukes on other people, among other things).

You may not believe in other people's god(s), but we've certainly blown up many, many (very probably) innocent people.

We don't need to chop heads off of people, we just bomb them with planes and missiles.

 

One quick question before I respond? How old are you?

 

Sounds remarkably like income tax and the welfare/warfare/foreign aid state.

 

The difference is, income taxes and foreign aid/warfare go to benefit the common good, not one side..

 

You mean like when Rudy Giuliani gave a no bid contract to Motorola for defective NYFD phones that was 12 times larger than the original contract?

That kind of common good?

Here is what Reagan thought of the common good of foreign aid,

While Veterans get poor care and have to fight for their benefits and medals, the National Endowment for the Humanities hands out medals to scholars and authors.

That must be the common good as well.

 

Old enough to have served with honor in the first gulf war. Old enough to be of the age of a father of many of the people on this site. Old enough to have traveled to and live in more countries than many people here can even name. Old enough to know not to say such absurd things.

 

then you have probably never worked very many blue-collar jobs, being in a union is key to making a good living wage, if you you work in many fields

the state workers union in NY is probably one of the only things that made state jobs desirable, without the union they would probably have way fewer benefits

 

That's true, I've been almost 100% self-employed since I started baking chocolate chip cookies and mowing lawns for money when I was 13, but I feel for everyone, because it's getting harder to do that too, and I was almost forced into a blue collar hard working job.

It just seems, and please correct me if i'm wrong... when the economy is excellent, the unions kind of fade in power, right?

 

Not everyone needs a Union to make a decent living wage... Those that do lack discipline, motivation and integrity IMO..

 

Thanks for your service and your wisdom.

 

like I said before my mom, sister, and step-father are all in unions and they help them get better pay and benefits.

I'm sure they could do fine without a union, but why should they?

 

I know, why should anyone attempt to do something for themselves.. It's much easier to be controlled...

Now that they take the easy path, not only is the pay and benefits better, but they get all kinds of help in where to shop, how to vote, what to think...

"1984"..... Unions....

 

they are not told where to shop, vote or think, your view of unions is some twisted fantasy spawned from dealing with some construction unions or whatever

 

Denial..

 

whose in denial? you with your broken window sob story, some union guys broke your window now you think all unions are bad and everyone in them is the same as they guys who broke your window

jeez get over it

 

Orwell wasn't against Unions, he was against the State. Specifically Britain's move towards constant citizen surveillance and monitoring.

Big Brother is not a Union. Unions certainly have a lot less clout than massive evangelically lead congregations.

 

Is there really a difference?