Ron Paul vs Judy Giulianni on 9/11

Option two it is. A good choice, might I add!

If you find a way to control your disorder, let me know. Until then, you'll have to find someone else to give you the attention you seek.

Happy Thanksgiving, grim

 

If you ever find yourself up for being an honest person I'd love to debate.

Attention I seek, yet you bring me up over and over.

What is your next lame attack going to be? Perhaps I am lonely, or maybe I am manic, or maybe I am a 'terrorist supporter'

 

You can always start one of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4

 

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Only one man has had the courage to take Giuliani to task for his lack of knowledge.

 

So GTech thinks that "we" are individuals, and like minded individual tend to form groups. This I can agree with.

But he says that when individuals form undesirable groups (by whose measure?), then it prompts questions.

That is collectivism.

If you believe in the Constitutional right of an individual to have their own beliefs, and the Constitutional right of assembly, then the only question should be, why would anyone question like minded individual with any purpose forming groups? This country wasn't founded on censorship or group think, it was founded on the fundamental individual freedoms that come from our humanity, by our creator. Unalienable rights.

 

ohh, the link isn't working. Anyone else able to bring it up?

 

It's a typo, should be: http://rudysreadinglist.com

 

You would agree.. The difference is, China has no reason to be doing that in the US.. The US is not threatening the world, chopping peoples heads off, arresting Teddy Bear namers, or blowing innocent people up in the name of a false God.

 

Strange logic. What drove the Russians to oppose America and go through the Cold War?

 

Be fair. That's the kinda stuff you have to find in books or by really looking.

 

A failed political philosophy, pride and jealously.

 

And socialist authoritarian empire = China

 

China is a state controlled capitalistic dictatorship. People are forced to work as slaves without the true benefit and equal opportunities of a free capitalist society like that of the US.

 

Like, without the benefit of American Search Engines turning them over as dissidents? We kinda need to get out of our own state controlled dictatorship so that we set a good example, instead of pressuring them more and more, when you yourself say that they cannot do anything about.

 

Fancy way of saying communism.

Remember when it was anathema to buy things from China? How people wanted to buy American, and not support regimes like this, anti-democratic, murderous, torturous?

Just another example of how our economic gluttony and self interest have basically made "American values" a talking point, not a force in the world.

 

"WE"? Are you living in China?

No. In communism, all benefit equally in concept, not just the state. In China, only the state benefits. That's not communism.

Most American's would rather not buy products from China... Problem is, most of the products we buy are inadvertently provided to us in places we would never expect.

I know for one, a great NON - CHINA gift you can buy your kids this year... Nerf products... My boy wanted a Nerf Soccer ball, so I got him one as well as a Nerf Football.. They are both made in the USA. And they are CHEAP...

On the flip side, American's would rather pay $1 for a $1 product than $50 for the same product. Those same American's want that mean nasty corporation making that $50 product to sell it for $1, but at the same time, want the unskilled union labor force making the product to make $75/hr.

Something does not compute here.. Cheap labor = cheap products, not necessarily, higher profit.

Even those American workers not making that ridiculous union extorted wage are not fed slop, dirty water, forced to work 12 hours days 7 days a week for 25 cents a day. That's China!

Just another example of how union labor has been the driving force in turning off the American Consumer and the rest of the world.

 

Semantics. The same thing happened in Russia. The same thing is happening here with public education, socialized medicine, selective service etc.

It's "statism".

I'm no fan of unions, but they are the least of the problem. Workers must have the right to organize into groups and collectively bargain. Without that, you can't have a middle class.

 

No, it is not semantics... It's two totally different forms of government. In communist Russia, capitalism was frowned on.. Not in China; it's allowed to flourish... That is why one survives and the other did not.

Happening where? There is no socialized medicine in the US, do you even know what selective service is for? It certainly has nothing to do with communism.

Ah, union's are not what makes up the middle class.. The middle class is comprised of people that actually work for a living without bitching or whining about how horrible things are...

"Collectively Bargain"... You mean, mob coercion. If I wanted something out of a job, I asked for it. If I did not get it, I worked harder and asked again, or went somewhere else...

Eventually I just went back to school, then started my own business. If I had relied on someone else to "collectively bargain" for me, I too would be paying into a system that supports itself through extortion and corruption. I'm not sure I would be able to sleep at night doing that.

 

I agree with you on Unions. I have never thought they helped anything, but I think people should have the right to form them, just not get any help with it from the government.

 

Actually they have done a lot of good. At one time they actually sought to protect the safety of workers. Now they are an instrument of violence and corruption that seeks to hold consumers and business owners hostage while they attempt to extort unreasonable requests of those that provide them with an income.

I have yet to see a candidate on either side of the isle tackle the union issue. I wonder what the candidates intend to do about the ever growing number of striking workers who continually disrupt the flow of things for an extra 10 minute coffee break.