Ron Paul Needs to Save America

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by aletheides, Oct 3, 2007.

  1. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    #61
    The fact that you would even ask such a question reveals a great deal about you.

    So to you the only Islamic terrorists in the world belong to Al Queda. Otherwise it's just "sectarian violence" and not terrorism.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #62
    That you refuse to answer says a lot about your convictions and priorities.

    Straw man argument.

    It looks like you have given up on claiming I wrote something I did not. Perhaps you still have a shred of credibility.
     
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  3. KalvinB

    KalvinB Peon

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    #63
    Have you stopped beating your wife? Are you a unicorn?

    It's just been revealed that to you, it's only Islamic terrorism if Al Qaeda does it. Otherwise it's just sectarian violence and to you, it's no big deal.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #64
    Answer the Zionist question, and I will answer yours. Unless you want to continue with the intellectual dishonesty.

    Straw man argument.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #65
    Ron Paul is on the path to saving America, I just hope all of his supporters here have told their friends, family and neighbors about RP, and will help turnout some people to the primaries. If he doesn't get the nomination, there is always a risk the movement will have to take a big step back.
     
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  6. omgitsfletch

    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #66
    Got my brother and 3 friends registering Republican for Ron Paul. I was no party affiliation and this is my first time eligible for a presidential election, got two of the friends jumping ship from being Democrat, my brother is a first time voter, and the other friend is a Republican who thinks the party is a bit out on control, and is a Christian who thinks the law making Christian agenda is out of control.

    My mom definitely likes him but is politically apathetic, I think she's sold though, and my dad thinks the ideas are good, but wants to see him get more support before he hops aboard.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #67
    That's great Fletch.

    Tell your dad that the American Revolution wouldn't have happened if people waited to see how the colonists made out before joining in.

    An interesting thing that is going on, is that a lot of young people are getting their family to register to vote for Paul. Even if they are politically inactive, the kids are asking this of them, because the kids are the ones who will inherit the results of this election.
     
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    kasami2k4 Peon

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    #68
    I don't know who I'd vote for. Truth is, I left America for Canada because after bush got elected twice, I was far too ashamed to stay.. So I couldn't stand the heat, and left =\

    However, I would go for a candidate who was more for -me- and less for businesses. It's jsut.. Every single time in my lifetime, when a republican has been in office, we've gone into recession and people keep trying to justify it instead of looking at the big picture :/
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #69
    Every time we have gone to war, we've gone into recession. We're pretty f**king prosperous when we don't get embroiled in tripling the price of gasoline with military force.

    You have to decide if a for you candidate is taxing you to be for everyone, including special interests. The proper role of government is not to be for business, and only to be for the people in a role of maintaining individual rights and liberty. It's not their job to nanny you, or run the economy and that is why the system gets so screwed up.
     
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    gemini181 Well-Known Member

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    #70
    Great job :)
    Did you first see Dr. Paul in the debates, or on the Net?

    Exactly.
    Young people know how much their future will be affected by events happening in the next year or two.
     
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  11. omgitsfletch

    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #71
    I caught wind of his name on Digg, which coincidentally, I didn't even frequent that much at the time. I saw comments saying he was awesome, and I said hell, let me check him out. From there I got totally caught in his message, eventually found some Meetup groups and started to get really involved.
     
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    gemini181 Well-Known Member

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    #72
    I knew he was well respected for his honesty.
    I didn't know how good his campaign was doing until the growing amount of publicity starting in June.
    ~~~~~

    Ron Paul is doing much better than most people expected. :)
     
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    #73
    Ron Paul will lose the Republican nomination. His zombie supporters are merely artificially inflating his success. Random national sampling reveals he has virtually no support. He may run as an independent but if he does, he'll split the vote for the democrat if anything.

    Ron Paul gets yanked off of internet polls because his supporters are so rabid they skew the results in his favor making his results invalid.

    If he were actually popular, internet polls and phone polls would match.
     
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    #74
    Haha! Kalvin has me on ignore, so this is a guerilla attack! :)
    The Democrat is likely to win if Paul doesn't get the GOP nod. He's the only anti-war Republican, and the majority of Americans are against the war.

    Btw, not-so-random fundraising with an average donation of $40 indicates he has as much if not more support than McCain.

    And yet no one can explain to me how Rudy G only got 160 odd votes in an online poll of 7,000+ respondents. Isn't Rudy a front runner? Surely more than 160 internet surfing Rudy fans watching the debate and voting for him...

    Right, because internet polls and phone polls are of the exact same people. :rolleyes:

    Vote Ron Paul in the primaries for GOP presidential candidate!
     
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  15. omgitsfletch

    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #75
    The reason internet and phone polls don't match is the methods with which they are employed. As I've stated many times before, phone polls only consult listed landline telephones, whose owners have voted in the last 3 Republican primaries.

    This leaves out a large group of people:
    -Young/first time voters who have not voted in primaries before
    -Younger generation who doesn't own landline telephones. You can look at statistics, a growing percentage of the population relies solely on cell phones for communication.
    -Democratic, Libertarian, and undecided voters who switched parties because they like Ron Paul's message and want to elect him in the primaries.

    You can argue the exact amount of these people, but the simple fact remains that each of the above named demographics is excluded from these supposed "more accurate" polls, skewing results away from Dr. Paul. This is not to say that internet polls are accurate; they pretty much just show that Ron Paul supporters are much more enthuiastic and internet-prone, whereas older generations are drawn more to television/radio media networks.

    I don't think either is accurate, and I'd even admit that phone polls are probably a good degree closer to reality than online polls; the simple truth though is that the real numbers of who's gonna vote for Ron in the primaries is between both types of polls.
     
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    #76
    It doesn't take a lot of "enthusiastic" supporters to skew on-line poll results. They're called proxies.

    Contrary to your claim, everyone else gets plenty of votes as well.

    I think when its all said and done, we're going to hear whining that has never been heard before when the Ronbies are hit in the head with reality and their leader gets barely any votes.
     
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    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #77
    I'm curious, where do you get the idea that we doctor online polls by proxies? My hypothesis is that the younger, internet based community supports Ron Paul more. Are you saying Obama users doctor polls also? Because on the Democratic end of things, he beats the shit out of every other candidate as far as online goes, but no one is close to Hillary in the polls.

    Also, you've yet to respond to my point about phone polls. Are you going to attempt to refute these points, or are you quietly accepting their inaccuracy also?

    EDIT: I think everyone is going to be surprised at how many people vote in the primaries this year BECAUSE of Ron Paul. I'm not saying he will win, but the general public will be amazed that so many showed up to vote for him despite such poor phone polls. As I've said, I've personally converted a Democrat, a "no party affiliation", I was "no party affiliation", and my brother was unregistered. These are 4 people I can personally attest will be at the polls in Florida come January 29th.
     
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    #78
    It's nonsense, and as I posted, several hours after the Michigan GOP debate, Ron Paul had like 5,000 votes, and Rudy had 160-ish. Heck, Mike Huckabee, who got very little time and did horrible in that debate, was outpolling Rudy and Mitt.

    Fred, who was barely conscious, let alone living in this decade was beating the field, save Paul.

    The only # that counts is the small donations making up 5 times the fundraising of Huckabee, and more than Huckabee, Tancredo, Hunter, Brownback and Keyes combined. You don't bring in 127,000 donations via proxy.
     
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    ferret77 Heretic

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    #80
    Great article,

    The Conservative Case for Ron Paul

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/mafaldo1.html

     
    guerilla, Oct 11, 2007 IP