I've been watching Ron Paul and considering him but last night confirmed to me and my wife that he is not a viable candidate. That being said, I think he brings a needed voice of reason on many domestic issues. My primary concern is with RP's foreign policy stances and his simplistic desire to disengage the US from much of the world stage. I think the debate pretty much ended his chances of being President (not like he had a big shot to begin with). The analysis afterwards on Fox also confirmed what I had voiced earlier in the evening that RP lost the debate. When he got bitch slapped for ranting about Iran and WWIII and then tried to claim that he didn't hear the question, c'mon RP. Did anyone see the after debate opinion graphs that showed RP going completely off the chart negative when he responded about Iran? Ultimately, I think RP doesn't understand the necessity of strength in the world and the nature of evil in mankind. To have freedom in a global world, you have to defend freedom against tyrannical leaders and societies. There are people that wish to enslave others and deprive them of life and liberty. My perception of RP's politics is that he would simply talk to them and try to trade with them. RP's contrarian politics and his simplistic disengagement strategy from the world scene (so long allies, fend for yourself), just doesn't make for a good President.
You do realize that that Fox News "focus group" was nothing but actors right? That they were told who they liked and didn't like, right? Look up Frank Luntz and you'll start to get a clearer picture of what's going on with that. Frank Luntz = BS. Don't let these people tell you what you think. Ron Paul won the debate as far as the people who voted in the cell phone vote. As far as your foreign policy ideas, all I can say is what you are suggesting is what we've already been doing for quite some time. It just doesn't work. On the other hand, what Ron Paul is suggesting makes logical sense. A non-interventionist foreign policy would not only save our country trillions of dollars and thousands of lives, it would also make the country and the world safer. Did you hear the things Ron Paul said about being friends with Osama Bin Laden and Saddam? We were. We train and arm these people and then later they become our enemies. This is crazy! We have to stop. Think about these issues a bit deeper and I think you will realize that non interventionism is the ONLY answer to our foreign policy problems. The founding fathers thought it was a good idea in the 18th century and it's still a good idea today in the 21st.
Ron Paul understands history. Ron Paul understands what could happen to the economy in the long term if the same state of affairs continue. He s genuinely a smart man, who has a vision, has courage to call a spade a spade. I don't believe how Americans could vote in people like Bush. It is beyond comprehension, that people do not understand the gravity of the situation. Maybe this is because they are not told about the problems. Do you believe people like 911 Guliani & Insane Mccain can solve these deep-rooted problems? Those people who actively search the internet for answers, understand the problems, and so these internet users are the most vocal supporters of Dr. Ron Paul. Seek the truth before it is too late. A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for... Peace, Prosperity and Liberty
I doubt they were actors, but I'm assuming you mean they were biased. But if you want to say they were biased, are you claiming that Fox intentionally stacked the deck against RP? I do know that RP supporters are believers in conspiracy theories.... Thanks for the reminder about the cell phone text message poll. Yeah, he did win that. In my mind, I dismissed that because I know that RP supporters are primarily tech savvy and quite passionate. To me, it was an obvious gaming of the poll by a passionate minority. The question of interventionist vs non-interventionist is a larger debate. I sincerely believe the truth in the quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." When you argue this point based on economics, how much would it cost if evil triumphed and the US was mortally wounded by a WMD? Think about this in domestic terms. How much money do we spend as a nation and as individual cities on police forces? Doing nothing is not an option. Regarding our foreign policy mistakes. Just because we've made mistakes does not invalidate the principle. In the larger view of the world, it is in our best interest to promote liberty and fight tyranny.
There are screenshots floating around of two previous focus groups in different debates, and there was the SAME guy in each focus group. Considering it's supposed to be undecided voters and they all seem to pick a candidate after each debate, that's a bit fishy.
Nay... RP supporters are well researched, intelligent individuals, and don't get into the trap of BS biased media companies like Faux. If you research yourself, you'll know why people hate Fox News. it is the most biased bullshit ever. They have no ethics, no journalistic values, nothing but cheap propaganda. Well, you should ask why are tech-savvy people attracted to RP's ideas? Because they know more than what your MSM media tells you. You've got to understand he gravity of the situation before is too late. We have a wonderful tool in our hands, called "Google". Use it to your advantage please. Most politicians are flip-flops and liars, but RP has a 30 years record of being consistent with his values. That is why people love and respect him so much. Nothing happens without a reason my friend. Ok. Agreed. USA should intervene in every country where we sense trouble. I agree with you on this one. RP, you got this policy wrong. People are willing to send their sons and daughters to fight wars for other countries, even at the cost of the economy. My friend, when you reach retirement age, and government is unable to pay you pension or Medical assistance, then I'll ask you. The economic situation is crystal clear. You just have to open your mind to see it. Agree. RP wants to seal the borders, send back illegals, and spend American money to defend America. Just because "American government", which is controlled by lobbyists, committees and leagues of various kinds, made a mistake in the past, does not mean these mistakes should be continued in the future as well. Something should be done to correct hose mistakes, not to repeat them.
No. Really. I mean they are actors. Some of the people in that focus group were in previous focus groups that Luntz has put together. Each time they support a different candidate (whoever Luntz is pushing at that time.) Didn't you think it was a little strange how they all said "Ron Paul" on cue? Like they had been coached to do just that? There is even evidence of some of these "off the street" people using DIFFERENT NAMES in different Luntz focus groups. He uses these people because he's trained them on how to respond in order to control other people's thoughts. You have to understand, he doesn't care what these people actually think. He wants them to say certain things in order to make YOU (the TV viewer) think the things that he wants you to. I can't believe that you think it's far fetched that Fox would purposely stack the deck against Ron Paul. Did you listen to the questions (and the way they were asked) in the debate? It's obvious. I think once you realize the extent to which you have been lied to you will be able to understand the things that Ron Paul is saying a bit better. Here's some more information on these so called "focus groups." Same "undecided" voters in Fox Focus Groups? More BS In Luntz Focus Group These people *are* actors. Does that shake you out of your slumber a bit there, fella? These are not "conspiracy theories." It's the TRUTH. Fox News is nothing but propaganda for neocons. They are scared of Ron Paul and will do anything to discredit him and make him look bad.
The things we are doing are making this MORE likely, not less likely. You have to understand all it takes is one small group of people who are truly really pissed off at America to cause serious damage to an American city. But why would they do this instead of say... going to Canada or Sweden or any other free country in the world? Why? Because we are up in their business. That's why. Things don't just happen. They don't "hate us for our freedoms." They hate us because we are in their countries, propping up dictators, so on and forth. Until we understand these motivations we will not be safer. We should be using our resources on intelligence and keeping our borders safe instead of starting wars and pissing off the world.
This is without doubt one of the most uninformed statements i have seen on dp. While gtech and the others probably have their own agenda that is different from being uninformed. Do you realize if we hadnt messed covertly with most of these countries from the 1940's till now the middle east would probably be teaming with democray by this year? Go back and do your reading with an open mind and you will be shocked at the stuff we did to iran in the 1940's, iraq in the 50's till now and many more. I would recommend a book by colonel fletcher prouty called the secret team which tells all about this. Prouty was head of weapons procurement for black operations. Whether it was taking out mossadegh in iran, qasm in iraq or rigging the elections in italy, they did it all. Ron paul is dead on the money when he said we helped to spread these kinds of feelings. The problem now is we have helped these kinds of people to get into power and how do we clean up this mess? This is the reality of the situation. I still think RP's solution is the most logical. If you use the sword one day that sword will also be used against you.
What surprises me most is that people actually think that the current US foreign policy is an option. Who's going to pay for you to 'free' all the people in the world? America is technically bankrupt according to the Comptroller General of the United States. The Arabs, Chinese, and Japan will stop lending you money sooner rather than later. So I'll ask you again, where are you going to get the money to free the world from evil?
he lost? reminds me of the votes he gets...somehow I am not surprised...sad to say I was not able to watch the debate, I had a meeting last night.
Hmm, invade and take over another country under the cover that they are a threat to us? opps we did that allready with iraq and thats just making the elite richer not the common american citizen like us.
I want to know where we are going to get the money for Mike Huckabee's "Weapons of Mass Instruction" part of his education plan.
Ron Paul scored so low, it went off the charts. I believe that was the lowest any candidate scored, dem or repub, since it's inception. I really got a kick, and it really spoke volumes about Ron Paul, when he went off on an uncontrollable tangent and Brit Hume stopped him and said to the affect of "all the other candidates agreed about being passive. What are you responding to?" Ron Paul had that "deer in the headlights look" and could only respond, "I can't hear you!" To be honest, I even felt kinda sorry for him at that point. He clearly wasn't paying attention and just went off on the usual rant, when others were saying that being reserved was a good call.
Sure I can! When he and his collective hive run around spamming the internet about how unfair it is that he's not included in a debate, and is afforded an opportunity to be in one, he ought to pay attention. Personally, I really appreciate him being in the debates. Every time he shows up, he makes my candidate look like gold! I say put him in every debate, even make up some extra debates, just so Ron Paul can get in front of the American people. The more they see him on stage, the more they realize how "out there" he is.
Ok, kudos to RP for being consistent within his own paradigm, but I've yet to meet a thoughtful person that goes 30 years without progressing in thought, changing some opinions, and increasing in wisdom. One might argue that if RP has never changed an opinion, he isn't truly a thoughtful man. Will you really want to argue the infallibility of RP? Strawman. I'm not advocating intervention in all conflicts nor is any other Republican candidate. What I do advocate is a moral imperative to fight for freedom and love thy neighbor. Turning a blind eye to the suffering of others is bad policy and bad humanity. It's a cop-out to argue against intervention based on economics. When isn't there another road to build, mouth to feed, child to educate? I won't argue that every decision to intervene is correct but I will argue against a politician that wants to turn a blind eye to the rest of the world. It's simplistic and ignores the nature of evil. The USA has valid interests in the stability and prosperity of other nations.