Ron Paul--I Don't Need Your Civil War etc.

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  2. mistermix

    mistermix Active Member

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    It wasn't a civil war, it was just americans killing americans.
     
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  3. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Like in Iraq? muslims killing muslims? But young angry white males with low IQs give the credit to others?
     
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    Bill Maher is an idiot. You can tell that Ron Paul, unlike our current President, knows how to read. Yes, Abraham Lincoln did support slavery, and he even said that if he could have had it his way, Blacks would remain slaves.

    The Civil War indeed was about keeping the U.S. unified, because powerful forces in Europe wanted the U.S. to be split so they could take over......duh, its called Divide and Conquer. We had beat the British not too many years earlier. Did you think they had forgot about by the 1860s? Slavery was merely a cover issue. And yes, slavery could have been solved without thousands of Americans being killed.

    Ron Paul knows exactly what he is talking about: Limited Government brings more freedom to the people. And this is exactly why I'm voting for him.

    Bill Maher is a moron. You can just tell that he is a mouthpiece that doesn't know jack about history, especially about the CIA. Not only did the CIA overthrow the president of Iran in 1953(who was democratically elected), they also overthrew the government of Guatemala a few years later. The CIA is extremely corrupt, and they DO NOT protect Americans.

    The only thing the CIA protects is corrupt elements of the U.S. government, as well as the Globalists. If you are an enemy of the Globalists, they will use the agencies like the CIA to take you out.

    By the way, JFK wanted to take out the CIA as well. Bill Maher acts like Ron Paul is the first person in government to suggest such a thing.

    By the way, once the CIA overthrew the democratically elected president of Iran, SAVAK was created, which led to thousands of Iranians being tortured and killed. Then you wander why they are pissed at us today. Wow, we sure brought them democracy didn't we?


    Bill Maher tried to play the old fashioned "bring Ron Paul on air so I can make him look like an idiot." Hey Bill, the only idiot is you!! I can see through you like a piece of glass, and anyone who can't is either blind, or just plain stupid.

    Read people, read! Stop talking about politics if you don't know your damn history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Agreed, screw the CIA.
     
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    Tesla, true kennedy wanted to splinter the cia. Nsam 55, 56, and 57 would have done that . Anyone who doubts this can read these documents anywhere online. They ranged from taking the power of covert post-war paramilitary actions out of the hands of the cia and into the hands of the joint chiefs of staff which were directly under the presidents control and werent as compartmentalized as the cia is.

    Savak was extremely brutal. How do u think they kept the minority shah in power. He was never elected to power democratically.

    Who is this Ron paul guy? I will read up on him but i seriously doubt he could pose any threat to the power elite. Maybe hillary's services could be put back into use again. I just feel that anyone that truely cares for the american peoples interests will never get close to power because of all the special interest groups.
     
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    tesla Notable Member

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    Ron Paul is a congressman from Texas who is running for president in 2008. He is a underdog, but the Internet community is strongly behind him. He is the closest thing we have to the founding fathers. He is running under Republican, but he is a Constitutionalist. He supports the Constitution and Bill or Rights, and this is something that virtually none of the other candidates share.

    He is a threat. His views are those which will free America, and make it a better place to live. The problem is, he needs money to run up against Hillary, but he has a long battle, because she has 23 million so far, and he only has 600,000. I want to donate some money at his website.

    I doubt it. Mainline Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. Hillary is an elitist, and she will only turn the U.S. into a welfare state. You talk about special interest groups, but those same groups are backing Hillary, and they want her to get in the White House.

    This is why you always see her on the news, but not Ron Paul. The Elite have already picked her to win, and they think she will. But the people can turn the tide, if they can get past the mainline brainwashed media.

    You're probably right, but we can't give up. If you tell your friends and family about Ron Paul, and they tell people they know.........he can get more exposure. The Internet has really helped him. Youtube is one good place where he can get more exposure.
     
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    Ron Paul will not get in for 3 reasons:

    ONE: He is too honest and would actually care for the American people.
    TWO: His surname is not Bush.
    THREE: His surname is not Clinton.
     
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    There is a lot that needs to be changed in US politics and I'm sure this Ron Paul guy is sincere and means well, but this whole 'limited government and more freedom' spiel is nothing more than rhetoric.

    I'd like to see him try to enact any of the policies he is claiming he supports.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    why doesnt someone make a bunch of websites for him. If he is a true constitutionalist than i would actually make my first vote ever, but how do we know who is watching over those electronic voting machines? Another words can anyone give me concrete proof that my vote will count if i make it for him?
     
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    Mistermix this is the problem i was referring to. Too much power up their for him to go against . Last time a prez went up against this power was JFK.
    I seem to have forgotten what happened to him, can someone refresh my memory?
     
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  12. Briant

    Briant Peon

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    QFT, just like WMD's and "democracy" are cover issues now.
     
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    The funny thing is there never was a "civil war" in the americas....look up the definition of a civil war, it says it is a war where one party is trying to take over the govt. Thats not what happened...The south didn't try to take over the US govt, they just made their own.
     
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    My point was that most of his statements are just soundbites. The role of Government is critical in the shaping and progression of society, his libertarian agenda does not have enough voter support to be feasible.
     
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    What about the distribution of too much power to the elite at the cost of freedom for the common people?
     
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    JFK wanted to remove powers from Federal Reserve too. If Paul had any chance at winning, they'd probably neutralize him long ago.
    Does anybody else think it's funny how all Kennedy descendents keep dying in accidents? Maybe I am paranoid, but nothing would surprise me anymore. Then, there was a 3rd party candidate who had a chance at winning elections back in 1930s, I think his name was Long(?). Died as well.
    Voting creates appearance of democracy, pretty important tool for controlling the populace
     
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    so you're saying yanks only know ABC and nothing else?
    see bolded fix ;)
     
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    Demosfan yes i think it has to do with using silver as the standard to borrow against. I read about it a long time ago so its not fresh in my dried up memory lol. You are right about the voting thing also.
     
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    It is the role of the people, not the government, that is responsible for shaping society. This is what America is about. This is why it is called a Democracy, or a Republic. When you say that "the government is critical in the shaping and progression of society," you may be right about China, Russia, or Mexico, where the state has all the power....but this is the U.S., and that is not how it is supposed to work.

    You let the government shape society, and your society won't be free. The history books speak for themselves. Never forget that the government is nothing more than a body of humans. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. No small group of people should be allowed to shape the progression of society..........it leads to nothing but problems.


    The power of the NWO should never be overestimated. Even if they successfully took out JFK(and I believe they did), they can't take out 100s of millions of Americans. All we need to do is get these bird brain people to see who the enemy is. Once the population has identified the Illuminati, Skull in Bones, Bilderberg, and all these groups, we can put them on trial, round them up, and send them straight to the gallows.........

    Their power lies in secrecy. Reveal their machinations, and they are screwed. They only get what they want because people don't even know they exist...........

    Ron Paul doesn't have voter support because many Americans have never heard of him, and many are also ignorant of what the Constitution and Bill of Rights means. Ron Paul wants Americans to be free.............who in the hell would not want that?
     
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    Isn't trying to make their own federal government in the south that is not beholden to the government that then united north and south trying to take power from the other government? Trying to take over part of the govern?
     
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