Megadeth - Peace Sells and Ron Paul is Buying! REDUX http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDAOiYzWZOQ Ron Paul's views on 9/11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfdq6hoe-XY
Yes, he has created many victories as an underdog. Ron Paul is worthy of respect, and many of his 'enemies' confirm he's honest. He's also expanding the pro-peace movement, and boosting awareness of support for social freedoms.
Here's a real Ron Paul campaign update for everyone. It's the current GOP nomination polling numbers: Giuliani - 29.0% Thompson - 17.8% McCain - 14.5% Romney - 10.8% Huckabee - 6.7% I'm sorry kids, but Grandpa Paul didn't make it into the top five. Paul's support seems strong -- among Democrats. Maybe he should run in their primary?
Paul is anti-abortion. He's anti-welfare state. He's anti-war. He's for lower taxes. Smaller government. States rights. Sounds like a Robert Taft Republican to me. Certainly not a Democrat. Republican polls don't determine the primary winners. Many states have open primaries like New Hampshire with 40% Independents. Paul polls over 7% in NH and he just opened his office, sent out 12,000 high quality glossy mailers to Republicans and started a 5 ad TV campaign. Bill Clinton polled around 5% at this time. So did John Kerry. Neither of them have a campaign the size and funding of Ron Paul's.
Paul's support seems strong among a vast array of people who seek freedom. Have you seen this, Wil? Eleanor Clift (PBS) Prediction - Victory for Ron Paul in NH! "At the end of the program, Shout Moderator McLaughlin asks each person to make a political prediction. Well yesterday, Eleanor Clift blurted out she predicted that 'GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul with his libertarian message is going to be the big surprise in the upcoming New Hampshire primary because Hillary has a lock on the Dem nod and the Independents are going to come out for Paul'. "Wow. I wonder how Boy George Snuffleupagus feels about Ron Paul now?" ~~~ Success in New Hampshire is only the beginning. Peace and freedom are worth fighting for! Wouldn't you agree?
Much less that I would have expected. Instead, I have seen more support for Paul from people who want to keep freedom away from other people -- as if it was a commodity that lessened when shared with others. What I see from Paul supporters is frightening nationalism combined with protectionism and isolationism. I see opposition to free trade, opposition to free immigration, and opposition to freedom for anyone outside of the borders of the U.S. Frankly, Paul's supporters appear to be neither Libertarians nor Republicans. Many of them appear to be populist Socialists. I wish that I were wrong.
Pretty much. It's surprising that those who pretend to support Paul on his small government platform only bring it up when Paul's moronic foreign policy is talked about. Otherwise, you'll find his supporters marching with communists, socialists and anti-semites. It's quite an interesting collection. Totally. If Ron Paul weren't a kook and catering to these people; he could do a great service to the libertarian wing of the party. But, he's just a kook. And that's why the media and the left loves him so much - he diminishes the entire party by standing on stage. I find it pretty shocking that no Ron Paul supporter on this forum has yet to say anything negative about the holocaust denier invited to MSU by Ron Paul supporters. Or Ron Paul donation buttons appearing on neo-nazi sites. Just silence and deflection. Ron Paul. The last hope. The best hope. For white people (apparently).
Socialists? Are you actually serious? Ron Paul supporters are for the dissolution of a number of government departments, and for very limited federal government intervention in our lives. That actually sounds like the exact opposite of socialism
what evidence other than the appearance of his supporters do you have to accuse Paul of being a socialist, neo-nazi, white supremicist mad man? please, i urge you, to actually think about what you're saying before you go spouting off.
Good point Nate. Neo-Cons seem very challenged to provide logic or evidence. You are wrong. Almost 99% incorrect. Spreading BS. Please, learn more facts about the subject before sharing your obvious lack of real, useful accurate knowledge. Congressman Ron Paul: Archives (Dr. Ron Paul in his own words and brilliant writings) Please note, many (and not all) of his supporters actually know what Dr. Paul stands for. In all fairness, I've provided: "Hot tips for honest debate" (see below) Pretty much the same, you know almost nothing about Dr. Ron Paul (other than 'hate-filled lies') Anyone who reads ~20 of these (or more) will have either: Honest respect for a great writer, thinker, and leader, or... Real, actual facts and ideas to use in a 'debate'. Time to stop spreading lies. Read the facts, please. ~~~~~~ Hot tips for honest debate: "Many of them appear to be populist Socialists" I wish that I were wrong. OK, prove it: What do you mean exactly? Can you provide quotes, links, examples, real proof? What is your definition of freedom? ~~~~ ~~~~ Since you repeatedly spread false information, I will repeat also: Time to stop spreading lies. Read the facts, please.
Don't leave out the veterans, active servicemen, politician, homeschoolers, right-to-lifers, fundamentalist christians, arab-american christians, arab-american muslims, Non-Zionist Jews, the fiscal conservatives, the anti-war folks, the gold bugs, the social conservatives, the young republicans, the old right republicans, the Goldwater republicans, Reagan democrats and just about every other walk of life in this country. That's the great thing about the freedom message. It's a big tent with room for everyone. Local GOP chapters might tend to disagree with you. Paul is driving party membership this cycle. More so than any other candidate. I find it shocking you aren't denouncing Abu Grahib. Or Fallujah. Or economic sanctions throughout the 90s which claimed the lives of 500,000 Iraqi children. I find it shocking you are not condemning Rudy Giuliani for lying about his handling of 9/11. I'm surprised you aren't denouncing Mike Huckabee for releasing a rapist into the public where he raped and murdered again. I'm surprised by all of the positions you don't take Lorien. But unlike you, I don't get hung up on it, or demand that you disavow every evil act or idea in this world. Because it's simply unreasonable. Polling 22% with blacks in NH. Despite the slander, he must be doing something right.
I agree. Lot's of room for kooks. Who you will not speak poorly about of course Stretching a bit, aren't you Guerilla? Really trying to deflect away from the whole idea. It's actually pathetic that you cannot say anything negative about this group that has brought a neo-nazi onto campus. I thought you'd show a little more class than that; especially since you support Ron Paul on his small government platform and these guys take away from that constitutional message, right? Right? Another campaign update! Ron Paul is winning the Nigerian vote! http://main.uab.edu/show.asp?durki=114955 congratulations! Ron Paul, I guess, is supported by non-white people. Sorry about the mistake, Guerilla! I think it's too late to amend the previous post, so I'll just correct it here. Ron Paul!
Man, you guys are sad. I've finally publicly stated that I think these well known idiots are idiots, and yet its ignored in favor of continuing the Ron Paul propaganda campaign. You guys are not looking for us to denounce neo-nazis or truthers; you know full well that the majority of RP supporters, and particular the supporters here, do NOT condone these groups' actions. Guerilla isn't stretching, he's turning the argument around. It's just unrealistic, as I've said in previous posts, to expect a public denouncement every time some idiot supports a good cause that I also happen to be affiliated with. I'll state again for the record, I disagree with truthers, neo-nazis, white supremacists, and many other undesirable groups, and truly feel this does not reflect a majority of the RP fan base. Here's another fallacy for you to highlight your illogical reasoning. One of the arguments used for the pro-criminalization of marijuana is that marijuana usage raised the likelihood of cocaine use many times more than average. People used this to rationalize marijuana's effect as a gateway drug. John Morgan published an article in the Activist Guide explaining this falsehood: Just remember that correlation does not imply causation.
Fletch, you are taking it personally. Think about how the tides are turning here. This forum has been absolutely filled with hatred for Bush AND America, by many of the very same RP supporters here. I wouldn't even guess how many lies, assertions, dishonest allegations, etc. have been thrown his way by virtue of blind hatred. So much so, that people never even care about the facts. Even guerilla, is still making up his own versions of reality to blame America with and blame Bush for. No integrity, no care for America, only agenda driven. Like most of the RP supporters I've come across, he exhibits a dire discontent for America, our troops, and goes out of his way to falsely blame his country for things that are simply not true. You know what is an interesting observation? No one cries or complains about all the Bush crap tossed around here. I can't even begin to wonder how many hours I've spent here, countering lie after lie after lie after lie, with solid facts and evidence. I do it, knowing that the very people asserting these things have no morals, no values and no interest in anything regarding the truth. I also know they could care less about the integrity of their false claims. Only the message matters. So don't think that because you, or any of the other RP supporters finally have someone to latch onto, that he isn't immune from criticism or above questioning. He isn't. The difference is, that people are raising legitimate questions and pointing to known historical patterns, his very speeches, his very positions, the very undesirable people he is attracting in droves. Anyone who isn't agenda driven, should demand answers to the same questions.
You're talking about a neo-nazi guest speaker, and I can't get you to condemn sanctions that killed 1/2 a million Iraqi children, or an invasion that has made 4 million refugees. I suggest you buy some hiking boots, because you have a long way to go to achieve the moral high ground. Thank you. I said it was a big tent, we even have room for you.
I support Paul because he is for states rights, because he is against abortion but will leave it to the states, because he believes in Nuclear power, because he is against the income tax, because he is against the Medicare/social security system in its current form, against national IDs and against handouts in an inefficient system that we have set up, and especially because of his view on the education system that is nothing more than a cesspool of bull. We need nukes, we need better education in the form of making it more community based, and we need to stop the massive bullocks based military industrial complex that Eisenhower predicted. Rather than that we need something based on research and development of cheap, highly efficient, economical war weapons that can be mass produced easily and remain cutting edge and effective. Right now the hardware we have stored and the munitions we have that are outdated are a drain on the system as a whole and only furthers our waste in spending. Why not go to a system of rewards that are not based on billions for hardware that will not be used (and paid to every company for development) and instead host an award for an actual working model upon completion. That way the waste on stuff that "might" work is eliminated. One of the things I enjoyed reading about and watching put into action was the JDAM - things like this that upgrade old munitions will inevitably cut costs and provide for the military as it needs. Not a few billion here, and a few billion there for systems that will eat billions and never once have the capability of being used. The fact that a few insane nutjobs support Ron Paul does not discredit him - it only shows that the nutjobs are more insane than was thought. Communists and Socialists supporting a Libertarian? Yes - they are nutjobs. I am sure some of you supported Bush, his actions, his war, his disregard for the separations of state and federal government, and his actions in Katrina. That's fine. Just don't call everyone a nutjob before you think. If the man had half a brain, Iraq would have been finished in under 3 hours, Katrina would have had unlawful but needed aid skipping the bureaucracy, 9-11 would have been prevented by reforms in the CIA and FBI from the decay in the Clinton Era, and a certain someone would no longer be alive. But no, Republicans nominated, and elected through a smear campaign on McCain one of the most inarticulate stratigitudery presidents to ever utter the word nucular and never lend any real support to lifting the red tape on building more nuke power plants. I regard Bush one point above Clinton, and thirty points below his daddy, and probbably another thirty below Ronald Reagan. At least Reagan had the balls to do something without f---ing it up so badly that my grandchildren will still be paying taxes on it - sure he increased the military budget by billions upon billions and a lot of it was not necessary, however in a sense it was because it forced our one solidified Warsaw Pact enemy into matching us and going totally flat arse broke. Then Clinton came in and wrecked it by cutting the wrong parts of the military. Back to point. Ron Paul - most Jefferson like of all the candidates, and the best option for internal reform. If he is elected I can say with certainty we wouldn't have a dramatic withdrawal from Iraq, we wouldn't have catastrophe, and we certainly wouldn't have a total loss of the American identity. That was lost over a decade ago to China in top secret files for cash. I want less government I want more freedoms I will take the risk willingly to have less 'safety' and more freedom to say and do what I want when I want how I want because it is what I want to do, not what Homeland Security says I should do. I want to see the DHS, CIA, and FBI abolished in favor of a new department that has the functions of all three and is coordinated so that no communications mishaps happen on a grand scale again. I want more Nuclear power plants - I emailed Paul and an Aide responded with his position on it with detail that he supports getting rid of the bans and limits for building them that is not based on science but rather on the old libby hippy fear They keep building more coal plants out here in Nebraska, and its getting moronic. I want a nuke plant - it is clean, safe, and provides electricity in quantities much higher than the current Generation I, II and III plants - and are safer too. Better control systems, better shutoff and meltdown prevention systems, more efficiency in using generators from the steam turbines in combination with head differentials in Sterling engine generators - total effective energy use with a superior rate of heat into electric energy conversion. The less energy you lose in heat, the more efficient your operation becomes. No one else will change a thing. Clinton will make it worse, Romney will give us male enhancement drugs (Bob on the commercials), Guliani will stutter us and spit on us, Obama is... , McCain isn't exactly what I want, and everyone else is just in it for the fame. There is not a single Democrat that will allow for more nuke plants, and none of the other republicans have addressed it seriously.
That's kinda the beauty of Ron Paul. His platform is so diverse, that even though most of his supporters do not agree with all of it, left or right, there are things in it that are appealing to many of us. And in all of the anti-Paul rhetoric, no one is accusing him of not doing what he says, so when he says nuclear power, he means it. When he says withdraw from Iraq, he doesn't mean by 2013 or 2017 when we are broke, he means within 6 months. When he says no more unbalanced budgets, he means it and will veto anything unbalanced. I shudder when I try to imagine how long it will be before we have another President who is not beholden to special interests, lock stepped with Bilderberg/CFR, and isn't afraid to take on the banking community to restore the Republic's wealth. Great post by the way Jackuul. It's a big tent, and to be honest, nuclear power wasn't high on my list, but maybe it should have been.
The rest us find it hilarious how people who absolutely disagree with everything Ron Paul claims to believe in still manage to support his candidacy. It's as if they are searching for "something" and Ron Paul is that undefinable "something." This, of course, implies strongly that these people cannot make rational decisions. I'm sure that some Paul supporters actually study and understand Paul's platform. It does seem to be a minority though. CFR? Are you a Bircher now?
I'd be happy to discuss his platform with you. I'm not an expert, but I believe I am reasonably well versed in his positions. Of course, to make it interesting, I would also like to put the same questions you pose to the candidate you will be supporting. Test both of our knowledge, so to speak. Are you up for it? --- I am not a "Bircher" now. I just don't believe in outsourcing our government to global unelected bodies we subsidize with our taxpayer dollars, yet cannot demand accountability or the principles of democratic elections to. Do you see a problem with Americans making their own laws, setting their own tariffs and having sovereign control of their own land?