It is different! Because you use the name of Allah to justify it! A Muslim Sheikh can not speak for Allah and declare death to someone because he says it is justified in the name of Allah. No man has the right to declare death to someone in the name of God/Allah! Not a Muslim Sheikh or president or who ever. Don't use the name of God/Allah for personal actions. When a person will be killed it is because of the will of human beings and not the will of Allah. This is wrong! Then someone will be killed in name of Islam and this is wrong. No human may be killed in name of God/Allah or religion! If you say it is justified you are basicly saying Islam is a religion of violence and not of peace.
That's interesting! My Lords scripts tell me They have ears but don't hear, they have eyes but they don't see, they talk about peace and mean war --- how true --- WE ARE NOT WRESTLING AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD BUT SPIRITUELL PRINCIPALITIES - another verse So what is a religous leader's job, - to kill? whenever they like? issue fatwas when they don't like something or someone. IT'S OBVIOUS HOW CLOSE ISLAM IS TO SATAN!!! Moses was not even allowed to enter the promised land after he avanged a slave and killed a soldier from the pharao, who tried to do harm to the slave, though he led the people of Israel out af Egypt. Truly not because that pharao was such a good man but because of the killing he wasn't allowed to enter. Another event Jesus withstood satan was when he was tempted by him to worship (respect) him, and he (satan), would give him the whole world in exchange. Jesus just answered" "Stay behind me satan" talking to the spirit - and satan fled. Need of some more rephrasing.
yes, i agree that nobody has power to kill someone... i believe this rule was just added to the original law... but i think some people shouldn't bad mouth about Muslims because like just like us... human beings that have different beliefs... i wish the leaders of the world should hold a meeting with the high priest of the Muslims(sorry i dont know how they call them) that this rule can be change or just drop it...
Weak kitman and taqiyya are exposed every time. Cognitive dissonance just isn't an effective tool to explain away the brutality of islam.
This is one difference between Islam and Christianity. And I talked about this before. Christianity does not have legal instructions (I don't know the exact words for what I am trying to say) while Islam does. And it is stil the same as law. As the constitution of all the Muslim countries say, Islam is one of the legal sources. Thus, you will find laws that are derived from Islam just as you will find laws from the French constitution. Which means that judging people is not as shallow and easy as you imagine. I said before: a Sheikh is not meant to be an Imam with a turban, but a specialist in Islamic law (who can simply be a judge). Try to concentrate with me so that you don't get wrong meanings from my words I know my English is not good but I am trying my best.
Lordo, we have plenty of Muslims in the United States. These Muslims do not live under Islamic law. In fact, much of Islamic law is illegal in the U.S.! We don't stone people to death for infidelity. We don't cut peoples hands off for theft. We don't murder suspected prostitutes. Islam can still prosper as a religion even if it is a complete failure as a government. Christianity went through this modernizing transformation about five hundred years ago. Islam needs to catch up!
Catch up with what? The westernisation? You mean that there's should be crack-heads and depressed people in Islamic countries? Why force them that? You don't live there anyway. I am against any islamic law manipulation here in the west, because we got atheists, christians and people from several cultures with a several believes. We also got many kids that believe in Star Wars and Sauron. Therefore, we cannot allow a religion to become a ruling overlord over the others. Instead, we shouldn't manipulate the law at all, but rather keep it. When it comes to insulting other religions, I think it is more or less a personal responsibillity to not do so. What about if I invent a new religion that is based on showing G-d respect by insulting other religions? Wahabbism is one example of that. But we can't punish them cause then we would insult their religion. The only thing we could do is that G-d sends them to hell and doesn't give them a place in the paradice.
Lordo wrote: There should not be Islamic Law! Only law made by the people themself! If islamic law would approve of someone getting killed then it is religion that approves it and would make it violent and non-peacefull! No man may be killed in name of religion! Religion means faith...believing...not making decisions for God/Allah! If you are a true believer of a spritual being that is greater then mankind then you would agree that no man can enjoy bigger status then God/Allah by making decisions for this greater being. If there are laws that condone people to be killed then don't make excuses that it is in the name of God/Allah and it is his wish since no man can make decisions for God/Allah! Hopefully you can finally understand Lordo that if you do make decisions for God/Allah like the Muslim Sheiks are doing by for instance having the power to let someone be killed in the name of Islam he is insulting God/Allah by doing so! If you can not understand this then i am sorry to say you are not a believer of a higher being!
1. KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL What's wrong with you guys? You have ignored everything about Islam but the punishment of someone who tries to harm Islam and Muslims? That is what Islam means to you? You thought Islam says go explode yourself and enter the paradise and I said no this is not Islam. I explained it several times. You thought if someone wants to leave Islam then death will be his sentence and I said no. I explained this several times as well. Now, you can't find anything to say so you are repeating that issue again and again? Killing is prohibited in Islam except in three situations (as I mentioned earlier). One of them is a Muslim (or someone who is thought to be Muslim) who tries to harm Islam. Similar to some citizen who tries to harm his country AND/OR people by betrayal or whatever. Please please get over the image of death, murder and terror that you have in mind for Islam! 2. Islam being one of the sources of the constitution You will propably find this hard to understand and I will explain why in the next point. But for now, let me see that our people (Muslims) fully believe that what Allah says and instructs is, for sure, the best for us. In other words, if I believe in my religion, my Quran and my Prophet PBUH, then I simply follow them and consider them of much and better knowledge. This includes legal instructions just like all instructions. This is something we are proud of indeed 3. Here is why the previous point is hard for you to understand. The West have seen a bad time because of what they thought the religion. In the middle ages, religious symbols misused their powers and authorities pushing the community to its lowest level in all aspects. Thus, the revolution was a must and it corrected the mistakes by separating the religion from the constitution. This is not how it is in Islam. In Islam, there are no special authorities for Sheikhs or whoever (after the Prophet PBUH and his people at his time). Moreover, you are prohibitied to put any CREATURE between you and Allah. There is no misuse opportunity here. 4. When Islam rules a country, people of this country's religion are not sued in front of the Islamic law. They are judged by their own courts and laws (unless the case is related to a Muslim). So, if two of the country's religion argue, they will go to their own religion's court. 5. AGAIN: Freedom is not absolute. If it is, we will live in a battlefield. Everyone needs to read more about freedom because I really find its meaning twisted a bit here. 6. If someone is interested in learning about Islam and what it wants people to do and what it says about life, death and after death, please ask. (I am trying to wash my fingers from all the blood you guys insist on calling back)
The issue is if Islam is a violent religion since you are agreeing and condoning that people can be killed in name of Islam/Religion by an order of a muslim Sheikh then you are not a true believer of a higher being! No person can harm Islam!
Great! If no person can harm Islam, then nobody will get killed. Happy now? Muslim Sheikh does not mean in isolation from the government and law. I don't know how to explain it correctly but you still get it wrong. A Muslim Sheikh will not, all by himself, say: kill someone. An organization hold a conference, study the rules and discuss the related issues to the case before giving the sentence. This happens in courts! These Sheikhs are judges who rule in the name of the constitution. Yet the difference between us and you is that Islam is on of the sources, which we are proud of
And that is part of the problem. You can not retrieve religion into law since it is obvious that it leaves room for violence as has been shown in numerous cases. People will abuse the name of Islam to impose punishments in the name of Islam and Allah as has happend numerous times before and will still without a doubt continue to happen in the future.
NO NO NO I understand what you are worried about. NO MUSLIM IS ALLOWED TO ACT FROM HIS MIND AGAINST SUCH CASES! Let us say that a Muslim did something that he should be punished for. No Muslim is allowed to judge him or even talk about (so what about punishing him by himself). Only the judge has that right of course. It is forbidden to volunteer and judge someone and punish him individually. That is the strongest evidence that Islam is against the terrorist cases you talk about. Not only they were against civilians, but also they were committed based on individual's minds. Does this mean that we should drop such principle because some people misunderstand and misuse it? No. We should, in fact, ensure that there are enough guidelines and supporting laws. We have to stand against them. And we are already doing this in a way or another. Not strongly but getting stronger.
Lordo wrote: And then you say...but a judge is allowed to do this of course. That is what you said right? So a judge is allowed to order an act of violence in the name of Islam? (even though he is just as human like you and me and therefor not having the right to order a punishment in whatever form in the name of Islam) Before you say no and i understand you wrongfully again, please look at what i bolded in black below.... Isn't there clearly stated that acts of violence are indeed made in the name of Islam?
Can't we just agree the islamic world can keep it's islamic law if we can keep ours? Anyway, Why are there so many moslems that doesn't let the judges decide, but instead giving out death threats here and there which are spreading fear in our community? Also.. islamic judges should only be allowed in islamic countries. You shouldn't force an islamic policy on us if we didn't asked for it.