Jesus is Lord I was fighting Christians because of their religious approach. Though, I was fighting them, something was left deep inside of me, the deeep desire for truth, that put me further to search and study the words that Jesus spoke and the scriptures. ... I ended up with Jesus and peace ... even now ...and forever. Yes, and he is the "Only Begotten Son" - Jesus Of course, islam doesn'e except that fact, because it's a religion and not seeking the truth, but life in the wrong way.
Arnie: I am having great difficulty discerning how religious fundamentalism from Christianity is in any way superior to religious fundamendalism from Islam. It seems to me that the only reason that Christianity appears better than Islam right now is that the Christians have been forced to operate under subjugation to both law and science. In the absense of the dominating influences of law and science, Christianity would be almost a clone of Islam. Fundamentalist Islam thrives right now only in portions of the globe where it has effectively defeated both the rule of law and the influence of science. I would rather not see that happen to the Western world -- and it doesn't make much difference to me whether the threat is Islam or Christianity.
whoever is against religion should at least respect it most specially that it is for a good cause... yes you might have faith but practice some of the beliefs that is relevant and applicable in today's modern age is what i think should be done... religion serves as a direction for all of us... without it most likely none of us will be here on earth... to be able to accomplish a peaceful life we need a little bit of faith, religion, laws, respect, love, etc... everything must have balance... guys sorry about my grammar... i hope you get my point...
What if a religion is based on an ideology surrounding racism, hatred and anti Semitism. How do you expect respect for that? I can start some sort of hate group and then hide behind the status of "Freedom of Religion" and demand respect and recognition?
Back. Will: There are two different issues: 1- Non Muslim: A non Muslim can choose any religion or belief. Islam respects the freedom of choosing a religion. Additionally, non believers in Muslim countries have full previliges. They are treated as if they are Muslims (talking about rights and duties). As I said before, we have Christian ministers here in Egypt. 2- Muslim: We have two scenarios here: a. A Muslim who peacefully leaves Islam and believe in anything else. Islam tells us to treat him like any non believer. It does not mention killing. Full freedom of religion exists here. b. A Muslim who works against Islam (which means he left Islam by trying to cause harm to it). This includes assaulting the religion, threatening the nation, trying to spread misconceptions, etc. Such behavior is not leaving a religion. It is in fact the great betrayal and disloyalty which deserves death not only in Islam but in any country. Hope that cleared the misunderstanding of this concept.
I don't really find a relationship between the absense of law and science and Islam. You still have that confusion between Islam and Muslims or Muslim pretenders. I thought we already setteled this in the previous posts and the other thread. I know something about the roots of this thought though The middle ages have shown the West real hard time. Church ruling everything. Popes being gods in a way or another. Also, the West can not forget what Turkey did in one of its dark ages. That is one reasonable reason why the West sees Islam as an ignorant concept that is about terror, killing, etc. Fortunately, Islam is clear about all of these issues. I have already talked about terror and murders not being part of Islam. Legally, Islam does not only respect the community rules and law, but also considers that a part of believing in the religion! So, he who does not make justice happen on his land is not Muslim. Science: Quran is full of verses that ask people (Muslims and Non Muslims) to study the various phenomena in the globe and learn more about everything. There is a saying of the Prophet PBUH that was strange at his time! He says what means "Go for education even if you reach China". China was a very imaginery place for people in the Arab land at that time.
What is the Muslim world actively doing right now to fight the terror within? How much energy is being spent to "clean up your own mess"? I'd be curious to hear how exactly the ones on the Palestinian side actually help the Palestinians in some way rather than using the issue for a political agenda. I'm sorry, but I know what Muslim societies do when it comes to instigating against the USA and Israel. Most Americans don't know how bad things really are, but our government does. That is why in many cases I support the educated decisions of our government over what is popular right now.
Who is anti Semitism? This is the first time I hear such perspective. What made you think that Islam is anti semitism or is racist? Don't you know that Arabs are relative to Jews? Thus, we are all semitist (or whatever the word is)?
I AGREE This is the first time you use the term "people". And I agree to that because I myself, and everyone, do not respect anyone who wants to murder me (us). That has nothing to do with Islam though
Yeah, and me and one of my cousin want to kill each others. Blood is not always that thick I'm talking about the scriptures and the measured the Quaran calls upon to take to "convince" Jews and Christians to convert, and it's not a message of love that I've been reading.
1. Well.. It is a bit different from the way you see it. Terror is not within the Muslim countries. Terror was not known at all at Muslim countries. But raising up Ben Laden to weaken the Russians created terror in the name if Islam (which all Muslims reject). Thus, terror is very limited to some areas. And terrorists move between countries to do their dirty missions. We could successfully terminate terror in Egypt until last year when we had two explosions. But much effort is done. 2. Palestine is a whole different issue. We are not talking about terror if we talk about Palestine. We are talking about war. 3. In fact, when there is a problem against USA, it is not Muslim societies which do whatever you mean. It is people from different religions who have problems with USA. As simple as that. So, this also has nothing to do with Islam.
War is a different issue. We are talking about normal conditions here. I talked much about Quran in the other thread. Please read it. I also talked about how Islam deals with Non Muslims. But because you mentioned jewish, let me tell you that Islam cares more about Books People (Christians and Jewish)! A Muslim can marry one of them, can eat of their food, can trade with them, etc.. As I said before, Muslims can not bring a church or a jewish worship house (don't know its English name) down. Islam draws a clear line between religious issues and life issues. And I talked too much about this in details. So, it would be kind of you to read that because I am getting tired and I will go to sleep now (2:30am here).
Again with the freedom of speech as you see it? I don't know if you have read this about freedom of speech as seen through internation law: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=680381&postcount=5
No. If she wants to marry a non Muslim, she can convert! Read above. And for your information, this happened once in Egypt. The sister of one of the presidents converted, married her doctor and left Egypt. I think she lived in the states. So, it happens