No problem. Here is a link to his DMOZ bio but there is only an email link there. It seems DMOZ cleaned everything after the facts came out but I think he was even a Meta editor. Dannyboy
where'd the pikky's go? you see turn up at a party 5 mins late and all the beers are gone. c'mon, who's got the pikky's?
@gworld: What you are doing is both abusive and illegal. You have posted many terrible and libelous accusations attacking me. Are you prepared to prove that I support kiddie porn and have illegal websites dealing with child pornography? Given your fantasies, you quite literally scare me. You have crossed the line and you can be sure I will take whatever legal measures necessary to protect myself from you. Clear your mind for a moment and think about this gworld. You've gone beyond "troll" ...you may apologize if you like, but I will not discuss this with you.
I don't see anything to back up what you stated - but I'll still read the yahoo thing when I get home. And no I don't live in China - employers have the right to block anything they want to (after all it's their equipment).
It is interesting that you can dish it out but you can't take it. You are the one who was attacking me directly in a post that this was the response to. It seems you are upset that this is not resourceless zone where editors can attack others and call them names but as soon as some one replies, delete and ban him. There is nothing to apologize, don't call people names and they will not return the favor. By the way, didn't you say that you are not going to discuss with me anymore until new year when you had nothing more to say in defense of DMOZ. Link to previous thread.
If the conclusion is that DMOZ is corrupted, then what's the solution? Closing it down? I don't think so. It's not like it's illegal what they're doing. They aren't regulated by the SEC or anything. You could lobby to Google to get them to stop using DMOZ at the source for Google Directory, but don't think you'll get too far with that. So, what does that leave us with? Whining about it?
I did NOT attack you directly or indirectly in any post in this thread. I can only assume you mean this post: Originally Posted by gworld Forget about DMOZ for a minute, what would have you said if I posted: "Mafia is not a criminal organization, only the criminals in the Mafia are bad" Since you ask, I would say: "Porn is not sleazy, only those who make and distribute it are sleazy" *ducking* If so, it certainly wasn't a personal attack, it was another in a series of ridiculous analogies...clearly meant as a joke. Did you fail to notice I put *ducking* at the end. Meaning, you have slung pornography accusations at me in the past... my mistake in thinking it was in the past. Where is the personal attack on you? Do you make or distribute porn? I really don't think so! However, if I'm wrong and you do make or distribute porn and you took that personally, I apologize for hurting your feelings, I didn't know. Yes, I did say that because you were being quite nasty, accusing me of supporting kiddie porn. Then you settled down and haven't been so over the top, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt and treated you as if you were normal. After all, everyone gets in a mood from time to time. I suppose I gave you too much credit. Also, if you scroll through this thread you'll see I didn't defend dmoz so your reasoning of why I decided you were ok to talk to is clearly off. It would be wise of you to cease your libelous attacks on me immediately. You are teetering on the brink of a lawsuit.
I don't know why anyone even bothers coming here to justify things regarding DMOZ. No-one's ever going to believe here that 99.9 of editors are not corrupt. And that the 0.01% that may be, is a big concern within it trying to make sure it is kept as far as humanly possible, to a minimum. There's no point trying to justify these things to people like Minstrel and Gworld ( whatever his name is ).. they will never believe it, and have made it their personal mission NOT to. So why bother ??? These never ending threads are a complete waste of time and effort. You'll never convince folks like that, they'll never admit they might have been wrong on it, ever. How will they ever know anything 'proof-wise' until they've actually been and experienced things first hand ? And only then reported on the findings ? I've said before that some folks here, especially those who KNOW that in order to draw any 'conclusive' opinions, in any genure of work, that you need conclusive, repeatable results over time in a controlled environment. A psychologist knows this. Just as well as he knows that people hearing voices in their heads should be taken extremely seriously as to them, those voices are very real. However, some here prefer to go on hearsay, nit-picking and all sorts of crap for their 'real' world. Makes sense to them I suppose, and I guess if they are 'hearing voices' then we need to take them seriously. I guess for them their limited experiences and the little juicy snippets (never proven) gleaned from others are 'real' enough to them. But they'll never have an authoritive take on things unless they experience it for themselves. and unfortunaltey they are patently persistant in their unwillingness to do so, or even consider that they may, just may, be wrong in their assumptions. A complete waste of time and like trying to justify yourself to a 3 year old who wants a candy bar before dinner. Leave them to their petty obsession with DMOZ, the accusations, the so called 'proof' of it, and the 'well someone 'said' so it must be true mentality'. You'll never persuade those folks otherwise.
Echo from shygirl head: "DMOZ is not corrupt, DMOZ is not corrupt." We understand that those voices are real to you but don't ask us to take it seriously.
Whilst I agree with you that the problem can't go away as long as people like gworld, MikeD and co are happy to argue their case simply based on their beliefs and not on any actual rationale, I disagree that running away is going to do anything to help that. They need to present us with cold hard facts to back up what they're saying, and in return we need to show more if possible (without shooting ourselves in the foot vis-a-vis spammers learning more about how to deceive us - on a web marketing forum like this you can bet your bottom dollar there will be loads of the clever buggers around!). Regarding this last point, please bear in mind that we are in no way required to divulge any more than Google. Just like you wouldn't ask Google to show you the changes it is making to its algo every time your site gets trashed in the SERPS, I don't think it's really fair to be asking so much more of us. Google reasons for protecting its inner workings are exactly the same as the ODP's, and there's nothing sinister in those reasons. That's just an aside - of course, like Matt Cutts informs people when the next algo update ought to be coming (but not how it will affect your site, naturally), we too should be happy in letting people know things that will be to users' advantage, but not the spammers'.
This must be one of the biggest bunch of BS ever. You just keep repeating DMOZ old usual crap about spammers while adding Goggles secrecy about it's algorithm as good measure. In order for Google to be comparable to DMOZ, Google must be doing the following: 1- Just arbitrary decide which web sites it should index or not without any apparent logic. 2- It must index it's own employees web sites before anybody else. 3- manipulate the Google algorithm in a way that Google's employees web site will have much more links and PR than others and will come on top of searches. 4- Google employees should delete anyones web site that competes with their personal web sites. Has anybody noticed Google doing any of the above? I haven't.
OK gworld, I take your silence to mean you ARE in the porn business; no one would leave a question like that unanswered if it were untrue. It explains a lot about your outlook on life. In any case you personally have broken laws and I will take action if you continue your libelous attacks on me. I mean it.
No I am not but you know that both your fellow editors and you have tried to imply that before because I have posted about the problems in DMOZ. imocr even tried to post that I must be a wife beater but I try to keep discussion on the topic which is DMOZ corruption while editors try to hang on every straw to change the subject of discussion and that was the reason I thought it was not worth answering you and instead tried to post about the subject. I think it is much more positive that you open your mind to the discussions that is going on here, since if you are really serious about doing a voluntary work, your time is much better spend to volunteer for an honest organization instead of a corrupt one.
Some have, I have not. However your attacks are directed at me personally. Not others. This is not about an angry anonomous person hating dmoz. I don't know how far your hatred will push you. I feel threatened by you. My grandchildren are old enough to do a search and find what you post about me. This is between you as a person and me as a person. I spoke to an attorney the last time you started this but then you stopped. What are you going to do? Must I take measures to protect myself. Can you possibly be reasonable and retract your libelous statements?