To add to this, I found "Baron" (nice to find out it's not his real name) to be an ass personally. Google once warned me months ago about dodgy traffic to another proxy I owned, they wouldn't tell from where the traffic appeared from, or how, just that a lot of click fraud had occurred... anyway after pleading I'd do whatever it takes to stop it, they let me continue. I can't say for certain it was from proxy.org, but I was with proxy.org at that time. I'm posting this more because "Baron" (apparently "Justin Schletcher" lol), or as I liked to think of him, "Proxy Baron" (similar to the popular term Oil Baron ) was an ass to me personally. This was discovered through a couple of emails with him. His already faked that proxify.com is not his (I won't say how I know this, but he HAS done this), and faked his name apparently according to fr0gman (lol what a name to choose, Baron Ma..blah). Anyway, to the newbies reading this, if "Baron" really has been sending abit of garbage traffic, then you can all be sure he will lie and deny it as much as he can. I'd hate to be Baron M/Justin S/Chuck N/Bruce L whatever he/she/it is right now
he knows it and these things happen. so many proxy owners that are out of the loop and will never even hear about this. sucks
Just make things clear... my real name is not fr0gman. lol But then again, I have never hidden behind multiple names nor sent fake "attorney" emails from a free Yahoo account like some people in the proxy industry. I am in Spain now and I assure you that the day I return to the US I will file suit against Mr Schletcher... that is a promise.
i wanted to share this: i was amongst the first few ones who got banned by adsense. (sad that it was later on they decided to fine rather than ban) i finally decided to block all traffic from proxy.org to all my proxy site. i had one 2nd class listing with 15 days left.. but still, i let it go and blocked ALL the traffic to all my 4 proxy sites. And this is what happens... when i had that 2nd class listing i was getting around 500 visitors each day and was getting around 26 clicks on avg. After blocking traffic, i was getting 1 or maximum 2 clicks from my 100 visitors each day. So, that clearly shows that i was getting way more clicks when i was on proxy.org but as soon as traffic from proxy.org is blocked... i end up getting 1 or 2 clicks per 100 visitors... rather than 5 to 6 clicks per 100 earlier. i dont claim proxy.org is doing it.. because i dont know and i dont care. But yes, i am convinced that there are bots and they do click your ads. Here is a quote from a post made on proxy.org's forum: Link: http://proxy.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1176233488 He did an similar experiment... and no wonder he too concluded that ads are clicked fraudulently. I sill say, i have no hate for baron or whatever... i actually like proxy.org for its the biggest proxy list on earth. And i have no idea if they are doing this or not... but i am rather convinced that there are bots involved. my sites will continue to block proxy.org from now on. I've already started to look for other alternatives to advertise proxy sites... and lol my own proxy list site is almost done!
I wrote that wonderful discovery article over on proxy.org about the bot traffic. I still think it's not proxy.org's. Thier service got exploited to do bad things...happens every day. You expect Baron to forfeit his income because the people using his service are too stupid to fix the problem??? Please.... YOU MUST BE PROACTIVE ABOUT Adsense. They're customer service sucks and they don't care about you. Otherwise we wouldn't be here with this problem right? I still use proxy.org's service...and I still use adsense. Bots are EVERYWHERE...go setup a phpBB forum and turn the captcha off...see what happens? SPAM BOTS from hell, then your google adsense gets banned because you have porn posts all over your site....so you gonna go sue phpBB because they provided a forum that isn't spam proof? Whiners...sheesh....go implement a captcha, then beg adsense for forgiveness (good luck there).
the bot im sure is meant to look for this code and click on anything related. thats why the test came out the way it did. careful with proxy.org traffic as its probably still tainted. http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js PHP:
If this is a bot, why should it ever stop ? I bet the bot owner are reading these posts and laughing.
If that is, the are techniques to make it hard for the bots to read proxy.org list, changing the html source every day, adding key hashes as a comment, etc. Anyways, he (baron) should have cooperated with proxy owners to get this sorted in some way.
Even more, google is not speaking too!! we are god damn publishers!! it is coz of us that they earn.. and lol.. google very well knows to say... "Nope! we are not giving away any info because of our privacy reasons" i wish microsoft would have taken over double click and i hope YPN slaps google to make its face red. (Invalid clicks! hell to them!)
When all of this started there were 793 Bold Listings on proxy.org. (793 x 20.00 = $15,860.00 per month) As of this writing there are 138 Bold Listings on proxy.org. (138 x 20.00 = $2,760.00) If the risk of losing over thirteen thousand dollars a month in revenue, not to mention losing the trust of the community is not important enough to Justin Schletcher for him to take a proactive stance then I will forever keep him in my 1D10T file. There are plenty of measures that he could and should have done to protect his users, advertisers and HIS income. He chose to take the cowardly low road and it has cost him handsomely. It will take years if not longer for the advertisers to regain faith in proxy.org and all of this could have been avioded if Justin had just taken his head out of the the sand and participated with Google. In fact, there is a good chance that the fines and banning could have been eliminated or greatly reduced had he spoken up instead of acting like a child. BTW, I am home from Spain and PayPal has reopened the fraud investigation against GRC Worldwide and I file suit tomorrow.
GRC Worldwide is the company name that Baron, AKA Justin Schletcher used to accept thousands of dollars in advertising from unwitting proxy owners for his tainted traffic.
well keep me in th loop if you can. my members just asked me about the proxy.org issue and it was good to advertise there. i told them ide find out and post on it. ill make the announcement soon lol
I think this problem can be solved if Google helps publisher by giving them detailed information about invalid clicks so that publishers can take necessary steps. But in this case Google doesn't want co-operate with publishers at all. Google givens no value to individual publishers. Only if more good companies enter this market then Google can change its rude behavior otherwise there is no hope that Google will give any 'useful information' about invalid click activity. Google non sense just keep on saying we cannot give information to protect our proprietary detection system. And we know that detection system is complete failure so far.
well about adsense blocking proxy owners as i know most of them has put adsesne codes on unblocked pages any1 here getting blocked by adsense , and they had put it on first page ?
Yea, Im sure none of the proxy owneres here took the chance of putting adsense on the proxified page.