hi andre i think you got it wrong google is not looking for "quality" as you put it, but for converting sites. A mfa site is converting, then it's fine for google. a parking site is converting, then fine for google. why? because advertisers want to advertise on converting sites. now, sites that get your account smartpriced are not "not quality" sites but sites that are poorly converting. and this is what google wants not to see, because this is where advertisers don't want to advertise. so, in a effort to get rid of non-converting sites, google does smartprice then, and also smartprice the whole account to make sure the site owner will fix the problem asap, thus ridding the system of poorly converting sites, making the advertisers happier about the system, and earning google $ because the adsense system is working long term. are you still smiling now?
According to what i have experienced this is not the case.... my sites have all been smart priced 1 by 1 and they have also been moved to YPN 1 by 1
well then, lucky for you (or not!). my own experience (twice) was smartpricing over all my sites, and it seems to be the norm from what i've read on DP, but of course, who really knows... i was just offering a good reason as to why smartprice the whole account versus only one site.
you forgot that the advertisers and Google won't make any profits without the publishers it's a win-win situation for all the 3 sides another thing, why do u assume that the advertiser is advertising for a product ? maybe he is just promoting traffic for his site which is offering a free service he wants to convert money into visitors not customers
Very good points you brought up, I cannot disagree with any of them. I would assume though that google has a surplus of publishers when compared to advertisers though. Therefore, I would think that Google would cater a bit more to the advertisers than the publishers.
Absolutely. So why allow domainpark and MFA? If they really have such a surplus, they should kick those out. The other alternative is to pi55 off everyone else (who is working hard and putting content up) and aggrevating the problem as those view people jump ship. If things keep going this way, eventually there will be only MFA sites left. Hell I am thinking about doing a few of those. In the time it takes me to run my two content rich sites I could put up hundreds of them and make way more than I do. So why work hard for content? (I am serious, why do it if not for the passion on the subject?).
Yes I am smiling. I don't care about a few petty dollars from a billion dollar empire a day. I got a job that pays extremely well and for me this is all just a game (like monopoly). Now back to the subject: MFA sites and domainpark will always convert worse! Here is my reasoning. If there is nothing else on the site but ads, people will click them to get somewhere else (hell there is nothing else to click). On my sites however people have many choices to click and the ads are just a minor minor fraction. That means anyone who clicks is much more likely to be actually interested in the offer. Hence a site with good content and a deeply structured menu (so people can stay for hours on your site by clicking link after link) will ALWAYS be converting better. I am not sure why you say this is wrong, its common sense. Here is another smile for you: Since the objective of this game for me is to win, why not put up a few hundred MFA sites and see how it goes. I am still going to keep working on my content sites, just because I love them. Any site that drops below $0.05/click and I drop the advertisements (rather send the traffic to another site of mine tha pays more, makes sense doesn't it?) Oh I forgot:
hi andre i hope you understand this is not a personnal matter me too have a job earning me way more than my adsense revenue so let's all smile about this whole issue as you do so well but i'm not saying mfa sites are good and we should all do that, and i'm not saying that i and you should drop our quality content sites to build mfa sites with by the way no visitors. no this is not what i'm saying, and again i think you got it wrong, or maybe i didn't make myself clear my point of view : adsense is here to make money the money is given to adsense by advertisers, as long as they are satisfied by the service thus, google wants to satisfy the advertisers long term how to do that, simply by allowing the advertisers to convert 1$ in advertisement in 1.x $ in revenue (real revenue, or value). so, google adsense is out there looking for the websites where the ads are displayed and tries to smother out those that does not satisfy the client, the advertiser. it's a difficult job i believe, given the sheer numbers of sites out there in the wild. but they somehow manage to find some sites that do not satisfy the advertisers. whether those sites are mfa sites, sites where ads are badly integrated, sites tricking you into clicking, is of no issue at all (as long of course as they remain within the tos, but this is another issue, as here we are talking about smarpricing, not ban). they just look for the conversion. site is converting satisfactorily, ok. is not, then smartprice. by smartpricing the badly converting sites, they allow the advertisers to remain happy, because then they are not ripped off. and here is my little thinking then, the guys at google have decided not to smartprice just the one site badly converting, but the whole account. this, according to me, is a strong incentive for the publisher to fix the badly converting site asap, thus ensuring that there is as little as possible badly converting sites in the system as possible, thus making the advertisers happy, thus earning google $. so let's all smile together
and to reply a bit more specifically to your post i agree with you, and i never said the contrary in my post, i said (and i should have made myself clearer) : in here i didn't say that mfa or parking sites were coverting, i said, or rather meant, IF a mfa site is converting, THEN fine for google. but of course i did not put the if, and i thought that by putting the then everyone would understand i was meaning if.. then i didn't say so, and i agree it's common sense my point was altogether different, which is why again i think you got myself wrong, as my point was related to why google smartprice a whole account versus only one site. i tired to explain myself better again, see post above.
I hope Google tells us in the Adsense panel that domain xxxx is now smartpriced so we take some action towards that
Ummmm...Has anyone asked GA team if it works this way? I think that would ideal to find out this info first before creating a rabble. Col
LOL. Good luck getting an answer. And while you are on it, ask them for the Algo how PR REALLY is computed
Hm. I think you are right. After reading all your posts again I can see your point. Fortunately its an open market and as long as I have a well paying job, I don't see a reason to give any click to Google if I don't have to (or want to). The other site is doing pretty good on Yahoo and I am thinking about converting the non-smartpriced site to Yahoo too (at least the forum, since the rest is based on revenue sharing I am somewhat stuck with Google). Not because it would make more money but just for fun. I want to see what happens to my earnings if I do so. I am also convinced that G. doesn't really cater as much to their publishers as they would to the money givers. This too is perfectly understandable (my loyalty is also to my employer), BUT I think if they continue down this route more people with lots of content will just drop out (or go to Yahoo) leaving Google with a lot of domainpark/MFA crap. I am not really sure if this is in the interest of their publishers. Here is an analogy: I have seen companies go belly up after a large percentage of their employees just left or started their own company. Did you know that the founders of Intel AND AMD were all from Fairchild? Where is Fairchild today and where is Intel? The Google guys once offered their technology to Yahoo, got turned down and started their own. What I am getting at: Google might be the biggest Kid on the block, but the moment someone offers a better deal, they could loose that Edge. And to me that also means taking care of your publishers to keep them happy. The only way to really make money from Google these days is MFA sites. If I were Google, I would start to wonder about the quality of my publishers. In the end, you really DO care if your ad is in the New York Times or in the Enquirer, even though the Enquirer crowd might be 5% more likely to buy from you. Then again, MFA is more like Pennysaver (for those outside the US, its a flyer full of ads only). I'd still rather have my Ad in the Times then in Pennysaver, wouldn't you? Especially if you are trying to built a brand name. Do you know how much the brand name of Coke is worth or the brand name of Mercedes? People buy the car because its a Mercedes, not because its the best car in the world.
so, it seems when the dust has settled, that we do agree on what as at hand (smartprice whole account versus one site, one possible reason). as for the rest, ie switching to YPN or not, this is altogether another debate, and what is the strategy of google on preventing people from going over to YPN is not known to me. on this particular point i must say i 100% disagree : i certainly do not think so
Google does not and cannot, in any way, track conversation rate. This would require shopping cart integration, which they don't do. If you integrated Google Checkout, then maybe, but they just took that thing out of beta, so probably not.
You might want to check out these links https://adwords.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=86 https://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6099&query=conversion tracking&topic=&type=f What is conversion tracking? In online advertising, a conversion occurs when a click on your ad leads directly to user behavior you deem valuable, such as a purchase, signup, page view, or lead. Google has developed a tool to measure these conversions, and ultimately, help you identify how effective your AdWords ads and keywords are for you. It works by placing a cookie on a user's computer when he/she clicks on one of your AdWords ads. Then, if the user reaches one of your conversion pages, the cookie is connected to your web page. When a match is made, Google records a successful conversion for you. Please note that the cookie Google adds to a user's computer when he/she clicks on an ad expires in 30 days. This measure, and the fact that Google uses separate servers for conversion tracking and search results, protects the user's privacy.