Religion, the truth or a horrible lie?

Children are told that if they don't believe the same thing as you they will burn in hell forver. You see that as giving them a choice? It's like putting a gun to someones head, demanding their wallet and then calling it a "voluntary donation".

 

I would never tell a child or anyone else this because it is not what the Bible is saying. You are quoting an incorrect interpretation of scripture.

 

I'm quoting an incorrect interpretation of scripture? or are the people telling children it quoting an incorrect interpretation of scripture? You don;t need to tell me it;s bullshit, Iv'e known it for some time. Go and do the christian thing, Go and stop those spreading lies in the name of your god. Or do you take the more philosophical approach of "well i disagree with it, In theory, But scaring the crap out of kids sure does seem to make them join up fast".

By the way, what do you think happens to people who believe the jesus myth is utter bullshit? Do we get sunshine and lollypops? or do we get something that we would rather not have? lets see how much of a choice YOU give children.

 

You just don't pay attention do you. Yet, you accuse others of not paying attention to you. I wonder why that is?

You just keep tarring everyone with the same brush..it's kind of like the aryan thing with you..."if they are not blue eyed and blonde...well..they are just not right at all...we need to get rid of them...everyone needs to be like me...." LOL

If there is one thing I can count on with you, it is complete ignorance.

Let's all applaud st0x. Congratulations in becoming the world champion of.....

Tarring With The Same Brush​

 

Answer my question.

Now you will reply with "what question?" just get get one post under your hat without contributing anything

and i will repeat "what do you think happens to people who believe the jesus myth is utter bullshit?"

 

Wrong again buddy. Keep up please!

What will happen now or what will happen later? You need to be specific. That question is quite a vague one.

 

Is this going to be another endless thread of me explaining what is meant by simple sentences written in plain english just because you lack the intellectual integrity to answer questions put to you honestly?

I will try to explain it in as simple language as i possibly can, Not to help you understand, But instead to give you no way of waesling out of answering; what do you think happens to people who believe the jesus myth is utter bullshit after they die?

 

This is not about me. This is about you. You ask a vague question you will get a vague answer. Period!

If they die before Armageddon they will most likely be resurrected on Earth in the new system of things. If they die at Armageddon they will simply not exist anymore. In other words (which is what you are wanting to know), no Hell, no torture, no eternal torment. They simply "return to dust". These things are what the Bible teaches and I can point you to scriptures that teach these things (if you want to pay attention, that is).

I guess this is an answer you were not expecting and I know why. Because of your mammoth task of putting all people with a spiritual belief in the one basket. If you continue to be ignorant, then people are just going to ignore you.

Now, do you still think I am weaseling out of answering?

 

Yeah, "most likely be resurrected on Earth in the new system of things". That sound like scripture.

follower; OI, god, Wake up!... what happens if people die before armageddon?
god; what? oh, i dunno... probably resurrected to live in the new system or something init.

I'd also like you to reread the posts i made. I said children are told that they go to hell for not believing in jesus, then your enormous ego stepped in and assumed that i MUST have been talking about you. Are children told this or not?

Anyone who tells children there are posthumous consequences to believing anything other than what they believe should be viewed as nothing but a child abuser.

 

You would have to excuse my accusation. If you look back at MANY of your previous posts, you did put me in the same basket with other religious people. How could I possibly not think you were talking about me?

Yes, children are told these lies that you are quoting and it is inexcusable. According to the Bible, God finds these things detestable, and he will step in soon and fix this permanently. These teachings make God look to be cruel. There are so many scriptures that show God to be loving, certainly not cruel.

Many of the clergy will face the consequences for their actions, also parents, teachers etc..

 

perhaps by doing more reading and less assuming?

Well any time god wants to make an appearance... You know, in his own time, no rush. it's just, well, we haven't seen him for 2000 years and there is no shortage of injustices against children that could use his time and consideration.

If you didn't know any better it would certainly be easy to misinterpret this lack of intervention as nonexistence.

 

hmm...is this aimed at you or me

"we haven't seen him for 2000 years"
I don't know where you get this from. God has never been seen by any human. Another misconception by man is the thinking that Jesus is God. Wrong. God created Jesus. Jesus is the "only begotten Son of God". In fact, the Bible clearly states that God told Moses "You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live."

John 1:18 quotes Jesus' words "No man has seen God at any time".

According to the Bible time is required for the work to be done so all who are meek and mild will saved from God's judgment. This is what a lot of people don't understand...no matter what has been done to the innocent ones..God will undo all of the pain and suffering and not only undo it, he will make it so the former things do not come to mind anymore.

Again, all of these things teach that God is not only love, he is also the ultimate source of wisdom, power and in this regard...justice. There is a much bigger picture than just these things.

 

Just want to back you up on this one. I am not a christian and I would not claim Abraham's god as mine BUT it is clearly stated in the Bible and by any sort of Jewish tradition that to look upon the face of God is to cease and be no more. And some Rabbi's have gone further to say that to see God and walk with God is a return to pure potential, that is to say to no longer have any individuality, not even in a molecular sense.

 

The spread of evil is the spread of evil, I have an aversion to the swastika but I know that most Nazis were not evil people but they still supported evil.

should I feel differently?

 

Not sure what you are saying...are you saying I am spreading evil or others are spreading evil??

 

If you indoctrinate people into a falsehood at its very core is immoral then one could construe this action as “evil”. Now, I think the larger point I was tiring to make was how unacceptable “Tarring with the Same Brush” is when it concerns religion, but most would do this when it comes to National Socialism or communism. Yet somehow religion should get a pass?

 

I am not saying "religion" should get a pass at all. My objective is to show people what the difference is between "religion" and the truth. Surely, people will want to know the truth, wouldn't you think?

 

I am a big fan of truth but there is none to be found in the ambiguous rambling of the bible or any other religious text.
Christianity does preach eternal damnation in a lake of fire, ever read Jonathan Edwards's "sinners in the hands of an angry god" and he is regarded as one America's most prominent Christians theologians.

 

Mainstream Christianity does teach that...but that does not mean that is what the Bible teaches (in regards to eternal torture...read my earlier posts).

Your search for truth in the Bible can only be found if you allow yourself to be taught. Understanding the facts about the Bible takes time and a lot of it. I have met many poeple who said "I read the Bible cover to cover and it didn't make sense". This is because it is not meant to be studied this way. Sure, it is fine to read the Bible from cover to cover but there is a lot more to it.

 

read A Chat With Arthur C. Clarke http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/clarke_19_2.html