HAHAHAH please stop, You are killing me. Are you doing this on purpose? "It may look like i have no evidence your honour, But what if the evidence i have is something you can't actually see... huh? what about that eh?" I know it would be convinient for you if this were true. but unfortunately, For you, This is absolute rubbish.
He's the guy with a bad word for a Christian or Jew (not unlike many here), but plenty of support for these types of people: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=3464145&postcount=24 http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=3467367&postcount=37 In short, he's not much
I think youl find it's according to all rational mentally balanced human beings. I know you have probably spent a lot of time in your collective where most of you can say pretty much anything and it will be received with self-congratulating nods from your fellow zombies. But in the real world we have a different take on reality.
Are you assuming things about me yet again?? I have been in the real world (as you call it) for 35 years. Been there, done that. Did not enjoy it. I hate the "real world". Look at what it offers? Murder, war, rape, greed....do I need to go on? What purpose does man offer? Nothing. So, why should anyone be nice to each other when there is nothing to look forward to? You get what I am saying? Our purpose. Or I should say "God's" purpose, is that we should have love for each other. Be kind to each other. Share with each other. Be guided by the loving principles found in the Bible. Billions agree that if everyone followed the guidance from the Bible, there would be no war, rape, murder, greed etc.. So st0x. What do you, or your way of thinking, have to offer people? Reality, you say. Fair enough, it is real what the world is like, or what people are doing to each other. I am not denying that. Has anyone benefited from believing in evolution? Does it bring happiness? Hope? A future? Hardly. It brings nothing at all. Only despair. When you weigh up all these things. The scales are tipping over to God's side because it carries more value. A lot more value than evolution can ever carry. Col
To the contrary. The bible specifically promotes those things and the churches are the richest organisations on the planet. there you go again, telling plain faced lies and expecting people to believe them. You are out of touch with reality and if i was a friend or family member of yours i would be worried, But as i'm not, I don't really give a shit. Yeah people are doing some terrible things, Take this war for example... This was all caused by religion. Ooops, Looks like you are lying again. I'm sorry that the truth frightens you, But it is all there is. If i don't like the colour blue should i be allowed to say the sky is green and expect people to respect that opinion? Of course not, They would call me an idiot, They would point and they would laugh. And that is exactly what we should do to religious people who deny the truth simply because they dont like it.
How am I telling a lie exactly? See above. The truth does not frighten me at all. That is your assumption again. I like the truth and I believe I have found the truth. Therefore, I am not denying it. What you call the truth and what I call the truth is a matter of opinion. Col
because you claim the bible doesn't condone murder, rape, war or greed. Yet all of those things are condoned by the bible are the church is the greediest establishment on the planet. You are saying how you would like people to perceive the bible and religion to be, When in actual fact it's the exact opposite. Thou shalt not lie, So stop it. But you believe it in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. What i consider to be true is nothing to do with opinion. It's proven, It has evidence to support it. I'm glad you admit that what you believe is a matter of "opinion" though. It gives a lot of credibility to what i believe, Which is a matter of evidence logic and reasoning.
Your view on what the Bible teaches is no different to my view. I mean, in the way of war, rape and murder. Yes, these things are terrible things and the Bible does contain events where these things took place. Now, let's consider this carefully. What were the commandments in regards to this? Thou shall not murder. This was a commandment from God to humans. Think carefully about this. God created humans. God gives humans instructions on how to live. He also gives warnings of repercussions if they do not obey his warnings. Humans disobey God. God has the right to discipline, punish humans. Also, many other kings, leaders etc.. went around killing and plundering etc.. God dealt with those ones appropriately according to his commandments. Put it this way. You can't have rules and then break them. God never broke any of his rules. Only man broke rules and they suffered the consequences. Just the same as we do today. In regards to the churches being greedy. Yes, again, I agree. There are many churches and their leaders who have taken from man greedily for their own gain. I can safely say, the organization I belong to has never acted this way and never will. How you say that "I" lie about these things confounds me. You say "overwhelming evidence". I don't see your evidence as overwhelming. All I see is "theory". You can argue until the cows come home. It does not change the evidence you have shown. Until the day you humble yourself. Walk into a Kingdom Hall. Sit down and listen a few times. You will stay on your same path. You might actually learn something far more valuable than what this world teaches. The offer is always there st0x. It just takes a little step. It's not going to hurt one bit. It's only education. Col
Regression? Sucked in? How exactly? It's an information session. A Bible discussion. There's no obligation. No ritual. You just listen and learn. You make the decision if you want to learn more. How is that being "sucked in"? Learning about what the Bible teaches. How is that causing regression? According to st0x, it's just a book isn't it? Is there anything wrong with studying a book? Col
There's nothing wrong with studying many books, and there is something wrong with studying many other books. Obviously we feel differently about the bible, but from my point of view it simply uses lies and false promises to lure unsuspecting and needy individuals in. We wouldn't condone any other hate group if they used such tactics, why should we allow a church?
More untruths. the bible doesn't simply comment on events that took place, It says that these actions should be done. it says to go in to villages kill the men and rape the women. It says pregnant women are to be torn open and children dashed to the ground until they are dead. This is what god instructed people to do. God instructed that people take up swords, Run through villages and kill everyone including their friends, family and neighbours. So his little list of "be nice rules" seems kinda pathetic after all the times he has instructed people to rape women, rip open pregnant women and kill children. It's a scientific "theory", As opposed to a common theory. In science when people refer to something as a theory they are using the word "theory" as a way of explaining facts and observations. So please, Don't use this word incorrectly or in a misleading way again. I can't remember how many time i have had to explain this to you, it's about time you took it in. Just to clear it up, The "theory" of evolution is simply the method of bringing together the evidence and observation in a way that proves evolution. In other words, It's a fact that the apple falls from the tree, The theory of gravity explains why it falls from the tree. Nothing wrong with studying a book, You should study as many as you can. Read Harry potter, I heard it's good, But if you come here claiming it is factual i will be forced to call you a lunatic.
Lure in to what? Living a clean, respectable life? To remain impartial, generous and kind to all? Must be scary to be faced with that??? This is what is offered by the organization that I am part of. Yes, other doctrines may lure into who knows what. But that's not us. Let's get this straight. First of all, you have taken these "sayings" out of context AGAIN. In 2 Kings 8:12 Elisha was talking to Hazael "At this Haz′a·el said: “Why is my lord weeping?†To this he said: “Because I well know what injury you will do to the sons of Israel. Their fortified places you will consign to the fire, and their choice men you will kill with the sword, and their children you will dash to pieces, and their pregnant women you will rip up". Who was Elisha? He was a prophet of God. He was weeping for what others were going to do to God's chosen people. Now, do you see where you have got it out of context? In Amos 1:13, God stated this "“This is what Jehovah has said, ‘“On account of three revolts of the sons of Am′mon, and on account of four, I shall not turn it back, on account of their slitting open the pregnant women of Gil′e·ad, for the purpose of widening out their own territory". This is what God detested for what the sons of Ammon did to the people of Gilead. Get your facts straight. You are totally wrong! Going by what you say the Bible teaches and how wrong you are about that. Why should anyone listen to any other of your unfounded theories? Col
I'm not saying that all Christians lead unhealthy lives, but I am saying that deception is never proper, no matter the gains. Better a man live a clean, respectable life because he chooses to do so. And how can a life spent believing in and catering to a lie be respectable?
That wasnt what i was talking about at all liar. I was talking about these passages; The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." WTF?!? If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. God wants rape victims who don't cry out stoned to death, Or if she isn't married the attacker has to pay her father with silver and then marry her. Just what a rape victim would want, To marry her attacker. This god really is one sick son of a bitch. If anyone should go to hell it's this filthy piece of work. if evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death Killing women who aren't virgins on thier wedding night. shall i continue? You are starting to make a fool out of yourself. I have explained what a scientific theory is, And now you are denying the definitions of words? That really is pathetic. And if i was you, The one believing in invisible sky men and jewish zombies, I wouldn't start talking about "unfounded theories". i suggest you stop talking. I'm starting to feel bad when i read your pitiful responses knowing i am going to have to, Yet again, make you look like a lying incompetent imbecile.
I agree. That's why I call what I belong to "The Truth". Because, it is exactly that. There's no deception or lies found in this organization. Col
Come on - I figure even most Christians must realize somewhere deep down that there's something not quite right with their belief system.
That was what God said the Assyrians would do the people of Samaria. Not God himself. See! You are wrong again. You need to stop calling me a liar. You yourself are making a good job of yourself look foolish. Again. Wrong. This is the passage: "23 “In case there happened to be a virgin girl engaged to a man, and a man actually found her in the city and lay down with her, 24 YOU must also bring them both out to the gate of that city and pelt them with stones, and they must die, the girl for the reason that she did not scream in the city, and the man for the reason that he humiliated the wife of his fellowman. So you must clear away what is evil from your midst. This means the girl told no one about the rape. The law is specific about this for the correct punishment for not alerting and keeping silent. This is a completely different era of time. Totally unlike society today. 25 “If, however, it is in the field that the man found the girl who was engaged, and the man grabbed hold of her and lay down with her, the man who lay down with her must also die by himself, 26 and to the girl you must do nothing. The girl has no sin deserving of death, because just as when a man rises up against his fellowman and indeed murders him, even a soul, so it is with this case. 27 For it was in the field that he found her. The girl who was engaged screamed, but there was no one to rescue her. This is rape. What does it say about the girl? "The girl has no sin deserving of death". Take careful note of verse 27 which backs up what I said above. 28 “In case a man finds a girl, a virgin who has not been engaged, and he actually seizes her and lies down with her, and they have been found out, 29 the man who lay down with her must also give the girl’s father fifty silver shekels, and she will become his wife due to the fact that he humiliated her. He will not be allowed to divorce her all his days. This was compensation to the girl to be looked after all her life. Again, a different era. You can't think of this in todays time. This is how justice was served back then. I suggest you stop talking and start reading. You have got all of these Bible verses out of context. Do some more study. It's so easy to quote one or two verses and say "look what this says". Only a FOOL would do that without researching what he had found. Col