Religion, the truth or a horrible lie?

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  1. birdsfly

    birdsfly Well-Known Member

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    #221
    Religion was made over 2 thousand years ago and people are actually challenging current evidence which PROVES it wrong....man that's sad...Also, religion was made to answer (wrongly) all the answers that humans want to know, that's why it's so popular...can't you see? It's like a modern day scam...Hey everyone I have something which will answer all your questions for a small price (of a bible)...if you're interested please attend church for the rest of your LIFE!
     
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    #222
    It was an idea that turned out to be wrong. It was initially spread by lying and generally abusing power.

    Religion was spread through genocide.
     
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    #223
    Such confidence in such little knowledge. :rolleyes:
     
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    #224
    Haha grandad, what knowledge do we need to have to know that SUPERNATURAL things do not exist? It's just like Santa Clause, you believed in him when he was a child because he seemed real and everyone talked about him...but when your parents told you he wasn't real you no longer believed. Religion is like a grown up version of Santa Clause...

    Anyway, you say such little knowledge, but I'm a student and study full time learning science, so how can I have such little knowledge? I have gone through many exams, books, theories and lectures and I know for a fact that this "god" thing doesn't exist. Oh and for your information I have a massive amount of knowledge from reading "The god delusion" by Richard Dawkins, maybe you should read it if you're so confident yourself that this kind of BS religious crap really happens, go start a war with Islam!

    What if I wrote a book and preached to massive amounts of people that a giant tea kettle made the earth and that everybody was exited about my discovery. What if I wrote and made up books and bibles of how the tea kettle had created the earth. What if there was no basis on my theory and I just made it up? You couldn't see the tea kettle in outer space with a telescope but people still believed me? What if it became that anyone who didn't believe in the tea kettle was "weird" and people raised their children to believe in the kettle. This is just how religion started, people convincing other (stupid) people that there was supernatural powers and that the universe wasn't a mystery any more....unbelievable....now it has caused so many deaths, casualties and debates that the world will never recover...it's just stupid...
     
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    #225
    Religion is all about unthinking.
     
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    #226
    Without believing something, life would be meaningless.
     
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    #227
    Like I said, such little knowledge.

    If you visit Jerusalem, you can view fragments of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
    A recording by archaeologist Professor Yigael Yadin explains:-
    There are loads more but it would be wasted on you.
     
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    #228
    grandad, I made quite a big explanation and you're totally ignoring it. See people, this is the sign of denial from a Christian, when he really knows that there is no god but chooses to still believe for reasons of family, pride and "being normal". Grandad, you're very sad I'm sorry, very sad indeed.
     
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    birdsfly Well-Known Member

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    #229
    Not true, maybe there is no meaning to life and you just can't except that. If you look for answers in religion you will receive false ones, there is no point in being deluded in your life.
     
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    #230

    Sad for you my friend ... it's not me that's in denial.
     
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    #231
    "Like I said, such little knowledge." - This is called denial. Do you deny this?
     
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    #232
    Deluded? Do you know the meaning of deluded? Mate! If you are going to use words then make sure you know what they mean before you use them. Check here for the meaning.

    Then, read what you just posted. See how you have it in incorrect context?

    Now. There is religion and there is true Christianity. There is a BIG difference between the two. True, you will find false answers in religion. However, you will find the correct answers in true Christianity. But! Dependant on if you are willing to learn about it. If you start with a closed mind then you will never learn the truth.

    Put it this way. What possible harm is there in learning? You get to make an informed decision about these matters once you know and understand what the Bible really teaches. This is no different to any other type of education worldwide.

    Col :)
     
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    #233

    Out of curiosity, do you agree with the bible's teachings ?
    Here are a few examples of what the Bible teaches.
    What are your thoughts on this issue ?
     
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    #234
    You are asking a christian to construct a "thought"? He will ignore everything in that video, Or claim it's taken out of context - As if you can take killing children and ripping pregnant women open out of context.

    These people are idiots who believe exactly what they are told. They have been told the bible is the word of god and that it is good, Of course, That doesn't require them to read it or understand it. They simply have to blindly believe it.
     
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    #235
    This is where the problem lies. The points from this video is what "man" teaches. The sabbath was part of the Mosaic Law that was replaced by a new covenant set by Jesus himself. You know. God's Son! Even Jesus himself says it. In fact, I only had to watch a few minutes of this video to see where this was heading.

    It's old hat and the points have been made before time and time again. It proves only one thing. Those parts of the Bible have been taken out of context. Especially the parts from Exodus and Deutoronomy, referring directly to the Mosaic law.

    It just shows these teachings from "man" are not in harmony with the entire Bible. Only a proper and regular study of the Bible will reveal this. But hey, if you guys want to go by what is said and written in a video. Well, that's your decision.

    I'll stick to what I know from my study and research. As far as some other DP member's ignorant and arrogant comments. I don't need anyone to "tell" me what the Bible teaches. I found this out for myself. That goes for the other 7 million of us in our organization. If you want to believe all of us are controlled by some leader, then go ahead and believe that. That's "YOUR" decision.

    Col :)
     
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    #236
    You should study and research a little better then.
    Matthew clearly says the old testament is valid and should be followed
    It must be embarrassing to get lectured on Christian law from atheists.

    ahhh, Ok. So what is the context behind the statement about "tearing open pregnant women" and "killing rebellious children". I would love to know the context which makes these statements acceptable.

    Also, I'd like to point out that Peter said;
    This means that you, As a christian, Aren't allowed to interpret what the bible says and are supposed to follow it word for word, If it says tear open pregnant women, that's what you are supposed to do. If it says kill rebellious children, That is what you are supposed to do.

    You are selecting the bits you like and claim they are the word of god, And dismissing the bits you don't like as the word of man or being taken out of context. I don't think you even know what you believe.
     
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    #237
    The term "flogging a dead horse" comes to mind. I wonder why? ;)

    Col :)
     
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    #238
    Probably because every time you say something people quote your own religious book and prove you wrong.... That must get monotinous.

    I can't blame you for being unwilling to acknowledge what people say though. I mean, There isn't really anything you can say. We have proven that the bible (OT) instructs christians to take slaves, tear open pregnant women, Kill rebellious children and stone to death entire villages and we have proven that the OT is supposed to be followed entirely (jesus said that, Not me) so there is little else for you to do besides simply not answer and carry on in that ignorant way that is so common among christians.

    No doubt next week you will be back proclaiming how great jesus is and how good the bible is, And we will have to go through this ritual again where you say something and we prove you wrong.

    I quite like it though. Because every time it happens i research a little more and that means i have more ammunition of truth to fire at these so called "christians" who claim the bible is a "good book". Sometimes i think atheists read more of the bible than christians do, It certainly seems that way from looking at what you know about it compared to what atheists know about it.
     
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    #239
    What is a 'horrible lie' is that evolution is being taught as fact instead of letting people makes up their minds for themselves. Generation of life from non-life and macro-Evolution is impossible. Believe in it all you want, that's your faith, but don't teach it as fact. I believe the world and it's infinite variation and intricate balance shows design and ultimately a Creator. There are 80+ known ways to date what we can see and the majority and most reliable point to a relatively young environment. I used to wonder if Evolution might be at least partially true, until I started investigating the facts.
     
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    #240
    Evolution is a fact, And if you believe other Wise you are an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion.

    Science isn't about letting people "make up their own minds", It's about telling them truth based on evidence. The day you get a degree in evolutionary biology is the day i might listen to a single thing you have to say on the subject, But until that day arrives, Keep your mouth shut and listen to what people smarter than you have to say about it.
     
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